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Old 09-17-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Definitely urban
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Old 09-17-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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Looks like a big city to me.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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It looks like the opposite, there's a bunch of big apartment buildings in the country Club district. Going away from it, the densities decline to levels lower (many of it <7000 / sq mi) than what I would consider urban. I'd say the area is urban, but it's an "urban island".
Yeah you are right. There's probably nothing in the two cities I am most familiar with (LA and Boston) that are really like this area. I was also going to say it looks a little like Allston or Brookline but then the densities would be even more "off" than in Pasadena.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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It looks like the opposite, there's a bunch of big apartment buildings in the country Club district. Going away from it, the densities decline to levels lower (many of it <7000 / sq mi) than what I would consider urban. I'd say the area is urban, but it's an "urban island".
The areas to the south progressively become more suburban. The Plaza is considered the far southern end of the commercialized urban core of KCMO today, but the areas around it (except to the north) have far more suburban characteristics than urban, even though many of those areas don't look like today's suburbs.

This is why there seems to be some debate here. This is a transitional area from urban to suburban, but the core of the plaza district is similar in size to the downtowns of many medium sized cities.

This area was a automobile dependent suburb on the outskirts of the city offering an alternative to the congested downtown area back in the 20's and 30's. It still has a quiet, laid back feel to it compared to downtown which is more gritty with more tall buildings and concrete, but less activity after business hours. "Today", the Plaza's built environment and pedestrian activity feels urban to me. While the the more urbanized Downtown can often feel pretty dead.

Downtown KCMO






For something a little more suburban, The Plaza:





Both areas have changed drastically over the past 50 years though. In some ways, the plaza district can be more urban than Downtown KCMO while much of Downtown KCMO is void of almost any life what so ever other than buildings and parking lots for most of the day outside of special occasions or venues bringing people down there (arenas, theaters etc). For the record, many parts of Downtown that were like this just ten years ago, are now bustling with residents, so it's getting much better.
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Old 09-17-2014, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC area
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Another example of this would be Clayton, MO

Clayton:


Or several places in the DC area like Silver Spring, Rockville and Bethesda. All of these have very urban mixed use districts in very suburban areas.

Silver Spring


Bethesda


Although, while the is on the edge of suburbia, it is also connected directly to the more urban areas to the north. Clayton, Silver Spring etc are surrounded on all sides by suburban areas for miles. To me, these areas are very urban, even though they are surrounded by suburban development.

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Old 09-17-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Well since it's all overhead photos, it looks dense but not urban. I don't see a street grid.
Grid doesn't have anything to do with urban. Paris or London are pretty urban, at least to me. No grid. South Houston is mostly a grid and very suburban.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ho...0d02def365053b
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:34 PM
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Ungridded Boston:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bosto...145.84,,0,-0.5

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bosto...105.81,,0,-2.5

London:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Londo...,144.16,,0,2.5
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:36 PM
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Both areas have changed drastically over the past 50 years though. In some ways, the plaza district can be more urban than Downtown KCMO while much of Downtown KCMO is void of almost any life what so ever other than buildings and parking lots for most of the day outside of special occasions or venues bringing people down there (arenas, theaters etc). For the record, many parts of Downtown that were like this just ten years ago, are now bustling with residents, so it's getting much better.
Interesting. I can't think of a city I'm familiar with having a similar district. Los Angeles and DC have a few similar ones, but not really. DC's secondary centers can't eclipse downtown at all. And Los Angeles' secondary centers have denser surroundings.
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Old 09-17-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Interesting. I can't think of a city I'm familiar with having a similar district. Los Angeles and DC have a few similar ones, but not really. DC's secondary centers can't eclipse downtown at all. And Los Angeles' secondary centers have denser surroundings.
Either that or they are not walkable at all - Warner Center, Century City.
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Old 09-17-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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Urbanity, much like autism, runs along a spectrum. Take that for what you will.

(To clarify, yes, I would consider this area "urban.")
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