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Old 10-16-2014, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No. You might be arguing with facts. Waste of time, in my opinion.

Freakonomics The Perils of Drunk Walking: A New Marketplace Podcast
You are aware that typically drunk drivers kill other people when they get into accidents rather than themselves. This basically states drunk walking is only dangerous to the drunk and not to everyone else.
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Old 10-16-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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Isn't the real issue what it will do to cost of renting or owning?
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Old 10-16-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Whereas overall I do like Seattle's parking maximums. I wouldn't if they were city-wide or anything, that'd be dumb, but it makes sense there.
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Old 10-16-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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You are aware that typically drunk drivers kill other people when they get into accidents rather than themselves. This basically states drunk walking is only dangerous to the drunk and not to everyone else.
I'll copy pasta what I wrote for you to get a second chance at comprehension:

Also statistically more dangerous to walk drunk than drive drunk. Less selfish, perhaps, but also more dangerous.
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Old 10-16-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'll copy pasta what I wrote for you to get a second chance at comprehension:

Also statistically more dangerous to walk drunk than drive drunk. Less selfish, perhaps, but also more dangerous.
To the drunk only, drunk driving is still more dangerous to everyone else. But we are getting off topic now so we will have to leave it at disagreeing.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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Isn't the real issue what it will do to cost of renting or owning?

Most Americans are homeowners. Most homeowners don't give a crap about the cost of renting.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Most Americans are homeowners. Most homeowners don't give a crap about the cost of renting.
65% of Americans are homeowners. Not something I would call most, but definitely many.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:15 PM
 
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Not quite the cost of construction does not vary much by location. The market value of the parking spot might go for tens of thousands. In fact people in Lincoln park sometimes rent garages but the cost to build is an totally separate thing and it could well have been amortized long, long ago. I mean just because you built an garage in the 1990ies does not mean it is going to be any cheaper or expensive in 2014. If anything maintenance wise less expensive than living space.

Cost of construction does not vary very much. Build N apartments, charge Y/N rent per apartment.

Build 0.8N apartments with minimum required parking and charge Y/(0.8N) rent per apartment.

I prefer the Y/N rent to the Y/(0.8N) rent, TYVM.
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Old 10-16-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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Which is why parking mins. are put in. The developer does not have to live with the mess lack of parking can create the people who live in the area do.

The carless poor person does not want to live with the cost of parking for which they have no use. Let those with cars pay for parking, and leave the rest of us out of it.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:16 PM
 
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Land value prices are relative and they will charge whatever the market will bear parking or no parking.
But the market will bear different rates for different characteristics. The price of a place without parking will be different from a place with sufficient parking, all else being equal (unless sufficient parking is zero parking, an extreme scenario). It is up to the consumer to choose if the characteristics of a residence or worth the price.

So, again, minimum onsite parking can create situations in which residents without cars pay for parking they do not use. And this doesn't just apply to apartments or condos. Just look at how many home-owning residents use garages as a room. In some munis, this is outright illegal (though enforcement is usually nil). The fiats of government, in this case, disallow residents from making full and efficient use of their dollars because they can't legally adjust their home to their actual needs.
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