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Old 10-16-2014, 07:34 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Oh really? Wow, you are really teaching me something I didn't already know.

I may not be the smartest person in the world, but do I really come across as SO stupid that you wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt and think that I don't LITERALLY mean Katiana lobbying for changing the laws in my neighborhood, and instead I am just talking about what would happen in a world where every neighborhood had parking minimums, as is the topic being discussed?
Frankly, I'm not lobbying for changing the laws in any neighborhood.

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But the market will bear different rates for different characteristics. The price of a place without parking will be different from a place with sufficient parking, all else being equal (unless sufficient parking is zero parking, an extreme scenario). It is up to the consumer to choose if the characteristics of a residence or worth the price.

So, again, minimum onsite parking can create situations in which residents without cars pay for parking they do not use. And this doesn't just apply to apartments or condos. Just look at how many home-owning residents use garages as a room. In some munis, this is outright illegal (though enforcement is usually nil). The fiats of government, in this case, disallow residents from making full and efficient use of their dollars because they can't legally adjust their home to their actual needs.
Yes, the apartments in Denver's Lower Downtown area w/o parking are among the most expensive in the city, by a longshot. Junky little apts in the burbs with parking are MUCH cheaper.
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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Yes, the apartments in Denver's Lower Downtown area w/o parking are among the most expensive in the city, by a longshot. Junky little apts in the burbs with parking are MUCH cheaper.
Clearly, parking availability isn't the only variable in your examples or anywhere else. In your examples, other characteristics are in play.
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Old 10-16-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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......... There is no right to a free parking spot wherever you go.
Quite true, but there OUGHT to be a right to a free parking spot wherever you go. The fact that there isn't is proof positive of severe overpopulation. Greater use of birth control is an urgent need pretty much world wide. Parking ought to be like the air we breathe - free to all as a birthright. Our over-crowded world has gotten to the point where we have lost sight of that sort of quality of life.
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Old 10-16-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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Quite true, but there OUGHT to be a right to a free parking spot wherever you go. The fact that there isn't is proof positive of severe overpopulation. Greater use of birth control is an urgent need pretty much world wide. Parking ought to be like the air we breathe - free to all as a birthright. Our over-crowded world has gotten to the point where we have lost sight of that sort of quality of life.
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Old 10-16-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Frankly, I'm not lobbying for changing the laws in any neighborhood.



Yes, the apartments in Denver's Lower Downtown area w/o parking are among the most expensive in the city, by a longshot. Junky little apts in the burbs with parking are MUCH cheaper.
People are willing to pay a lot to live in walkable neighborhoods that allow them to ditch their cars.
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Old 10-16-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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65% of Americans are homeowners. Not something I would call most, but definitely many.

I'm sticking with most:




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Old 10-16-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I wouldn't call 65% to mean "nearly all," but that's me.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:57 AM
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Quite true, but there OUGHT to be a right to a free parking spot wherever you go. The fact that there isn't is proof positive of severe overpopulation. Greater use of birth control is an urgent need pretty much world wide. Parking ought to be like the air we breathe - free to all as a birthright. Our over-crowded world has gotten to the point where we have lost sight of that sort of quality of life.
Why? This seems like some type of religious view that so criticize. What's so precious about free parking that it should be elevated to fresh air? I've personally enjoyed neighborhoods where parking wasn't free, I found they had more quality in other ways.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Why? This seems like some type of religious view that so criticize. What's so precious about free parking that it should be elevated to fresh air? I've personally enjoyed neighborhoods where parking wasn't free, I found they had more quality in other ways.
Why? Well why not? That is my opinion. That is the way I grew up in a suburb of St. Louis. That is simply normal, never to pay for parking. Library, school, church, work, shopping, Boy Scout meetings, whatever. There was always free parking. It seems sick and twisted to pay for parking. If the world weren't so overcrowded, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

This is probably, at least in part, generational - I am 70. I was used to certain wonderful conditions which no longer prevail in many locations. If people have never had something, they don't know what they are missing. More and more people are forced to live in overcrowded conditions because that's the way the world has become, but it doesn't make it good, and it doesn't make it right.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Why? Well why not? That is my opinion. That is the way I grew up in a suburb of St. Louis. That is simply normal, never to pay for parking. Library, school, church, work, shopping, Boy Scout meetings, whatever. There was always free parking. It seems sick and twisted to pay for parking. If the world weren't so overcrowded, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

This is probably, at least in part, generational - I am 70. I was used to certain wonderful conditions which no longer prevail in many locations. If people have never had something, they don't know what they are missing. More and more people are forced to live in overcrowded conditions because that's the way the world has become, but it doesn't make it good, and it doesn't make it right.
Holy cow, I thought your earlier post was meant to be a joke. You were actually serious that free parking should be a birthright? LOL.
What else should be free? Shelter, food and clothing are all more important than parking for human survival. Should those be "free" as well? (I put "free" in quotations because of course nothing comes for free. Someone picks up the tab no matter what.)
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