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Old 10-18-2014, 06:15 PM
 
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Apparently, there's emerging research on this topic. I find it the subject rather interesting. Being a NYC native, I recall seeing it daily. I would say the majority of street vendors in Brooklyn in the 90s were non-licensed. Even today, there's growing informal housing.

What are some examples you've seen or heard that takes place in the US?
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Old 10-19-2014, 12:36 AM
 
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Perhaps you could tell us more about what this "informality" means? People in casual dress instead of formalwear? Using slang words instead of formal speech? And what research are you referring to?
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Old 10-19-2014, 06:59 AM
 
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Perhaps you could tell us more about what this "informality" means? People in casual dress instead of formalwear? Using slang words instead of formal speech? And what research are you referring to?
You could start here.

The Informal American City | The MIT Press
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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I could--but it's your thread. What do you think about "informality"?
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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I could--but it's your thread. What do you think about "informality"?
I think cities should allow them. Not all housing and commerce should have to be permitted. Zoning and regulations often cause rent hikes. Not that all regulations are bad.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:58 AM
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"They" say people in Denver/Boulder dress like slobs.
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Old 10-19-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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I think cities should allow them. Not all housing and commerce should have to be permitted. Zoning and regulations often cause rent hikes. Not that all regulations are bad.
Spontaneous economies just happen in big cities. I guess the OP is about where it flourishes more? Because as soon as it's noticed it's codified; that is, formalized, and that's the conundrum of the suggestion. There's massive amounts of unpermitted entrepreneurship everywhere that's impossible to measure because it's necessarily underground.

Near my house there's an informal taco stand. Everyone around knows that's where the best salsas are found. They'd be shut down if anyone piped up about it, having myself had dealings with the departments of Environmental Health, Public Health, USDA Marketing Services, etc. That's just from the perspective of oversight. Then there's revenue and tax issues, a whole other set of regulatory hurdles.

Now, taxation is knee-jerk issue that I have contended with myself. But to offer that side of the story, take Air BnB. The hospitality industry wants them taxed like any hotel. Why? Because that industry pays its taxes like a civic partner, helping a city attract those visitors with its guarantee of quality accommodations. Should unregulated businesses capitalize on its market without paying their share into it?

Nevermind the intimacies of the food industry. I've come to realize code, as incredibly burdensome as it is, is generally there for a reason, even when the reason isn't transparent. The best any local government can do is streamline the process for residents, incorporating services to also navigate the county, state and federal regulatory environments. There are incredible inequities still, but how do you address them if you don't approach them at all?
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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Exclamation I Hate Formality:

I Hate Formal Attire.
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Old 10-19-2014, 04:54 PM
 
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I think cities should allow them. Not all housing and commerce should have to be permitted. Zoning and regulations often cause rent hikes. Not that all regulations are bad.
I think that's an absolutely horrendous plan and ground zero for future lawsuits. Businesses and housing are regulated primarily due to health and hazard concerns. We've seen what happens when these industries aren't regulated. Infectious diseases run rampant, criminal owners get away with stealing and hurting innocent people, buildings collapse and kill others, too cramped spaces leads to fights and chaos, etc.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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I think cities should allow them. Not all housing and commerce should have to be permitted. Zoning and regulations often cause rent hikes. Not that all regulations are bad.
Should allow what? Informality? Meaning you think men should be able to walk about without ties on?
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