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View Poll Results: Should there be a 3-ft law or similar for yielding to pedestrians?
Yes 8 42.11%
No 11 57.89%
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Yield to pedestrian laws are too weak and difficult to enforce. Does it count as yielding if you don't hit the guy, but you came within inches and hardly slowed down at all? If I am the pedestrian, I'd say, you didn't yield and should get a ticket. If I'm the driver, I can argue, "hey, I didn't hit you, right?" If an officer observes this happen, does it depend on whether it's a slow day if the driver gets a ticket or not? Even if the driver gets a ticket, does it hold up in court?

I think we ought to have a specific criterion for what yielding to pedestrians. Similar to the 3-ft bicycle laws in many states, you may not pass within 3 feet of a pedestrian who is crossing the road or in the process of entering the crosswalk. If there is a steady stream of pedestrians, you cannot proceed unless there is a gap of at least your car width plus 6 feet. These are criterion that can hold up in court, given the widespread use of intersection cameras, dash cams, and nowadays police body cameras.

Should there be a 3-ft law for pedestrians?
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I am not sure I follow what you are suggesting. Any diagrams that you could post related to this?
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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How is this enforced? Three-foot curb scrapers?
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:06 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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How is this enforced? Three-foot curb scrapers?
Some states or municipalities 3 foot passing law for bicycles, don't know well it's enforced but it's there. Might mainly used to determine whether the car is "at fault" or not.
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Old 10-23-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Unnecessary.

There are already laws pertaining to pedestrians in crosswalks, they're just poorly enforced. A 3-foot law would actually be laxer than the generally not enforced law, at leas there in California.
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Old 10-23-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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If we are going to try and enforce a 3' yield around pedestrians does that mean stricter enforcement against Jay Walkers and other dangerous pedestrians? Or will this be like bicycles where they do what they want but cars must abide by the rules.......
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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If we are going to try and enforce a 3' yield around pedestrians does that mean stricter enforcement against Jay Walkers and other dangerous pedestrians? Or will this be like bicycles where they do what they want but cars must abide by the rules.......
Any examples of someone in a car dying as a result of being hit by a jaywalker?
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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If we are going to try and enforce a 3' yield around pedestrians does that mean stricter enforcement against Jay Walkers and other dangerous pedestrians? Or will this be like bicycles where they do what they want but cars must abide by the rules.......
All I'm saying is that if I'm in a crosswalk and you pass within inches of me and hardly slow down at all, you did not yield the right of way, and there should be no ambiguity regarding whether any hypothetical ticket holds up in court. When people do properly yield, they generally do not pass within 3 feet, so this mainly just reflects everyday common practice. And a concrete number is easier to educate the public than the vague notion that you should yield (and we all know how many drivers simply don't get the difference between yield and merge...)

I would not necessarily be opposed to cyclists getting tickets for riding the wrong way or not stopping for a red light. Also for riding at night without a light. These are dangerous situations that cops should be giving citations for.

But when it comes to strictly enforcing jaywalking when there are gaps in the traffic, ok, fine, but only if you also strictly enforce driving 33 in a 30 and coming to a complete stop behind the line before turning right on red even when nobody else is near the intersection. These are all pretty harmless things that are technically illegal. But would we really want to live in that kind of police state...???
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Old 10-23-2014, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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How is this enforced? Three-foot curb scrapers?
The same way speeding is enforced. If an officer witnesses it, he pulls you over. Often the possibility of enforcement is enough to get people to change their behavior. 3 ft is also easier to grasp than a vague notion that you should yield. I totally agree with enforcing existing laws, but some people seem to think that as long as you didn't hit the guy, you yielded, and most people who do yield stay more than 3 feet away anyways.

Camera enforcement is also possible. It would not be difficult to use existing traffic cams to identify vehicles passing too close to pedestrians and get their license tag numbers. Existing software can easily track pedestrians and vehicles and identify potential cases for further police scrutiny, much like the way red light and speeding cameras work now. If there aren't enough officers to look at all of the cameras (which is likely the case), then randomly look at different intersections each time and send warnings for the cases not scrutinized.
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Old 10-23-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Like texting and driving its not something that will ever be seriously enforced until accidents happen. What is a pedestrian doing that a car gets within 3 feet anyways? If they are considerate they are not walking right down the middle of a parking lot and are paying attention to whats going on around them. I suppose it might be useful for joggers though I jog on the left side of the road and will instinctively move over for traffic... I dont believe pedestrians and bikes should be grinding heavy traffic to a halt....
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