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Old 11-04-2014, 12:24 PM
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I don't know about 100% telecommuting as in you work from home each and every day. But there are certainly jobs where you could telecommute two to three times per week. My friend works for a federal contractor in the DC area and only goes into the office a few times per month. It depends on the nature of the work.

A lot of the office jobs in central business districts don't require a daily physical presence. Most entry level positions at investment banks in Manhattan involve assembling spreadsheets and doing internet research. Junior positions at large law firms involve reviewing emails and documents on laptops, redacting certain documents, etc. There's really no reason to have to come into the office every day to perform such menial, mind-numbing work.
So are these banks going to give people computers for doing this, or are they expected to provide their own equipment? I have a real issue with the latter, also with having to use my home phone for work related stuff. I once had a job where I was required to use my home phone, and then my boss wanted me to change my voicemail message so it was obvious people were getting the Flu Shot program. I found that a bit over the top as they weren't paying the bill.
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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So are these banks going to give people computers for doing this, or are they expected to provide their own equipment? I have a real issue with the latter, also with having to use my home phone for work related stuff. I once had a job where I was required to use my home phone, and then my boss wanted me to change my voicemail message so it was obvious people were getting the Flu Shot program. I found that a bit over the top as they weren't paying the bill.
Most firms give out laptops. You then log in using VPN Client or some other similar application.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:37 PM
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So are these banks going to give people computers for doing this, or are they expected to provide their own equipment? I have a real issue with the latter, also with having to use my home phone for work related stuff. I once had a job where I was required to use my home phone, and then my boss wanted me to change my voicemail message so it was obvious people were getting the Flu Shot program. I found that a bit over the top as they weren't paying the bill.
As long as you're not expect to work from home, I don't. If you don't feel like showing up to the office and want to work from home, it's a fair deal that the company allows it but provides no equipment help.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:47 PM
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^^When I worked for the flu shot program of the Denver VNA, I was the local co-ordinator. People were directed to my phone to get local information. I was peeved (to use an acceptable word) that I was told to change my message to say, "This is the office of the Visiting Nurse Association of Denver flu program for Boulder County" first, before I said this is Katiana. I figured they could pay for it in that case. I did figure out a way to say it all in the first sentence, e.g. "this is the phone of Katiana AND the Denver VNS".
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:36 PM
 
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Our @ Telecommuters etc, all have laptops, Docking stations with Nice sized screens, Keyboards, Mouse.

For Phone, they have a Phone "Set" that plugs into the USB port, and a App that runs on there desktop that allows them to connect to there office phone number. So you can call them on there "office" extention, and they can call all the offices thru their @ home phone set.

So it "Looks" like they are sitting in a office somewhere, (Could be any of the company offices all the phone are networked on the IP data network. They do ask on the instant messenger that they put they are Telecommuting, So no ones goes looking for them physically in the building. If they are in a Telecommuter Cube, they put the cube address in there IM .
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Old 11-05-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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My understanding is interest in telecommuting has kind of peaked, and employers are beginning to phase it out in many cases.

The reason is simple - it's been found that people don't work as hard when working from home. There are of course individual exceptions, but most people, when outside of the peer pressure of an office environment simply don't focus on their work as much. They take longer breaks and get more distracted.

There are exceptions of course. People in quasi-independent work, like contractors and those on commission, can be trusted to work from home more, because they still have a financial incentive to work hard even if no one is directly managing them. And of course companies have no problem with people telecommuting overtime hours. But bosses generally don't want the average white-collar worker to be in their house on their computer with no supervision.
If an employer is phasing it out, it's not as a function of overwhelming evidence that telecommuting is wasteful because workers use their time poorly.

Which is more wasteful of company resources? Providing a fully furnished office and requiring workers to commute in on the company's schedule? Or allowing workers to operate on their schedule at home? On the one hand, the manager feels good because of proximity, but the company is paying a lot of money to provide a space, furniture, and equipment. On the other hand, the company has to provide a laptop and a VPN or some cloud-based solution, but much less office space and fewer furnishings. And, let's be honest, few office workers spend all day "working"; attention and focus aren't offered in neat, discrete 8 hour packets, nor can they be called up on demand, and the mind needs both engaging tasks and activity variety.

TL;DR: Telecommuting is "bad" only because it makes managers uncomfortable.
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Old 11-05-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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What impact will telecommuting have on cities? Down the road many jobs can be done from home, and people may not have to report to work. What will this mean for economic hubs such as NYC and Chicago? They may lose some of their dominance, as people don't need to live in these cities for jobs anymore, they can live anywhere. and will small cities make a comeback, as people move in to these places while working from home?
If it were to finally catch on and go mainstream? That significant hurdle aside, it would take the pressure off cities, counties, and states to build more transpo infrastructure. The big driver of infrastructure need is the volume of drivers during commute hours.

But 100% telecommuting is unlikely. Even liberal managers like people to get together under official pretenses at least a couple times a week, if not in a traditional office, then at least at some kind of shared space or coffee house.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Despite all the hoopla about telecommuting, there are really very few jobs, and very few people, for whom 100% telecommuting is possible.
Well put.

It seems to have been more of a fad than a paradigm shift.

Unless you're already the CEO, it probably behooves one to come in to the office regularly from a networking standpoint.

So I don't think telecommuting will have much effect on cities.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If an employer is phasing it out, it's not as a function of overwhelming evidence that telecommuting is wasteful because workers use their time poorly.

TL;DR: Telecommuting is "bad" only because it makes managers uncomfortable.
I'm not convinced it was really ever phased in.

Teleworking has been frowned upon at most of my jobs not because it makes employees less efficient, but because it's novel, and a lot of our bosses are simply resistant to change. Even when it comes to things that could be done much faster and cheaper electronically, there's resistance to doing that because that's the way these guys have been doing things since they finished college in 1967. Their view is generally: "I run things so this is the way it's going to be. Period." Many of them have a strong aversion to technology and don't understand that it exists to help them.

I have literally seen old men turn red in the face because they don't know how to attach files to emails, they get confused by desktop shortcuts, they don't know how to use the "Ctrl + F" search function, etc. How open do you think any of these guys are going to be to 20 somethings logging in remotely through VPN Client? We're living in the Obama/Digital age, but many of the people running these companies are still mentally in the Cold War era.

My mom is a little more up to speed with technology now but she's still not that comfortable with it. If there's an app she wants, she'll just wait for me to come home so I can upload it for her rather than learning to do it herself. It's really not that hard.
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:35 AM
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I have literally seen old men turn red in the face because they don't know how to attach files to emails, they get confused by desktop shortcuts, they don't know how to use the "Ctrl + F" search function, etc. How open do you think any of these guys are going to be to 20 somethings logging in remotely through VPN Client? You have to remember that "socialism" is still a real threat to some of these guys. .
Back in the late 80s, when some people in my mom's office got computers, her boss was convinced that her computer was a toy (for games?).
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