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Old 11-14-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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Well, I'd definitely rather live here
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.64579...rI9V-Wj78A!2e0

Than near this part of Lawrence East which could be the worst stretch of suburban arterial with housing in Toronto. Aside from being relatively poor and somewhat high crime, it's also pretty isolated (far flung, poor transit, poor walkability).
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.76593...BAMfC66akQ!2e0

BTW crime rates in the suburban area are about 1.5x higher, even though the first one was known as Clubland with lots of nightclubs and bars (though several nightclubs have been pushed out by the condo boom). The suburban area might have about 3x more crime than a more average downtown neighbourhood.

I live a few blocks from King Street, a little closer to the waterfront. Auto traffic in the area is pretty bad and rather noisy. Lots of tall Soviet style apartment blocks around here, so living on the upper floors might help insulate you from the noise. It's not very bike-friendly (no bike lanes) and the transit could be better. I can't believe they just killed the long-overdue streetcar project by electing another idiot mayor. Well at least its still better than Toronto's suburban hell I'll give it that but that's not saying much haha.
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Old 11-15-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Garbage Grove vs a yuppie part of Manhattan isn't much of a comparison.

I'd choose neither.
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Old 11-15-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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Personally, I would not live in either location. I require a big yard, so #2 is out, and I also require a less traveled street in front of my house, so #1 is out!
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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The urban one, at least Manhattan specifically, would have lots of slow moving traffic with more street noises. Horns, occasional sirens. I'd guess the suburban example would still be quieter but the faster moving traffic creates more a high pitched "whoosh"
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Old 11-15-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It wouldn't drive most insane. After the second or third day you wouldn't notice it.
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Old 11-15-2014, 11:45 PM
 
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It's not all that hard to tune out a freeway either--it just turns into white noise.

The answer is, it really doesn't matter, because the reasons to live in either location generally depend on other factors.
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Old 11-16-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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It might be easier to tune out a freeway since it's just a steady roar.

I lived on a "stroad" for a year, it was a road in a streetcar suburb style neighbourhood by in terms of design, volume and speed it was more like a suburban arterial, and I did get somewhat used to it but not completely. The noise was pretty unsteady, sometimes quiet when there was a red light or no traffic (at night) - until the light turned green and you heard all the cars hit the gas or a delivery truck go over a manhole. I often had the window open in the summer since we had no AC and while I could sleep through the night I didn't oversleep like I could in more quiet places and woke up at 7am when traffic started to pick up.
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Old 11-16-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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I've lived backed up to an actual highway (what Californians call a freeway) -- near where I-270 becomes US-15 in Maryland. It's definitely a disadvantage, I could never open windows on that side of the apartment due to the 24/7 noise. A Manhattan avenue is just as noisy though; I lived on 6th for a short time, the only saving grace was a high floor, but it was still noisy even with the windows closed.

I'd think a suburban arterial you might at least get some peace at night, but that likely depends on the suburb.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:14 AM
 
Location: bend oregon
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its cheaper living in the suburbs, id go with the suburbs
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Old 11-16-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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Garbage Grove vs a yuppie part of Manhattan isn't much of a comparison.

I'd choose neither.
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its cheaper living in the suburbs, id go with the suburbs


The thread is about living in proximity to road noise. Living expenses of the area are a separate issue. But in regard to road noise, its the biggest reason why a house located on a busy arterial generally has about half to two-thirds the property value of the same house located on a quiet cul de sac. Because people do not enjoy living on highly trafficked streets. Studies show urban noise pollution to be a major contributor of stress, and stress of course is linked to a wide range of health problems. It is not something that is easily tuned out.

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