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Old 12-15-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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Some people say new urbanism is better because there is density and museums and sushi restaurants and bike trails.

Some people say opportunity urbanism is better because housing is cheaper and you get to save and invest your money. you have more upward mobility in an opportunity urbanism city like Houston.

Here is what it really comes down to. Live in a city like Houston, Dallas, or Atlanta. Vacation in a city like Portland and San Francisco. Living in an opportunity urbanism city, you get to save money and invest and eventually have a bit more in your life. If you have a good job you can find great homes a nice neighborhoods.with all that money that you save, you have vacation in high density urban environments if you crave that. If you live in San Francisco, you're trapped financially to San Francisco and the people that you have to put up with. If you save money in Dallas, you can vacation in San Francisco or Madrid or Sydney. Loving museums doesn't mean that you have to live by museums. The reality of life is that you do need money to be able to deal with emergencies and eventually retirement.
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Old 12-15-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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What is "opportunity urbanism"?

Is housing the only expense in a person's budget? How much of the household income of someone from Dallas, Atlanta or Houston gets spent on transportation costs?
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Old 12-15-2014, 11:32 PM
 
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Some people say new urbanism is better because there is density and museums and sushi restaurants and bike trails.

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Sushi restaurants and bike trails?

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Old 12-16-2014, 06:02 AM
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Aren't those the benchmarks of civilization that a city is judged on??
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I prefer rust-belt cities. They have the quality of life advantages of the "new urbanism" cities, (except maybe sushi bars) but also the cost of living advantages of the "opportunity urbanism" cities.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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I happily pay more in housing to get to live in a dense, walkable city where I hardly ever need to drive. Merely vacationing in such cities isn't enough for me. It's not a "financial trap" for me--it's a worthwhile investment.
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Old 12-16-2014, 09:04 AM
 
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Okay, looks like "Opportunity Urbanism" is a Joel Kotkin idea, so it can be safely ignored, as Joel Kotkin is wrong about everything.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Yep, sure enough, as is typical with Kotkin, "opportunity urbanism" is just the suburban/auto-centric status quo. Apparently "New Suburbanism" didn't find many takers, so he picked a new name. Basically, Kotkin misrepresents what is meant by New Urbanism, and then claims that the same auto/suburb/greenfield model we have been using since World War II is a radical new approach, using the worst of Agenda 21 boogeyman scare tactics.

http://cornersideyard.blogspot.com/2...lly-thing.html
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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I prefer rust-belt cities. They have the quality of life advantages of the "new urbanism" cities, (except maybe sushi bars) but also the cost of living advantages of the "opportunity urbanism" cities.
That's largely because they are older cities. And it's nice to have them.
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Old 12-16-2014, 07:43 PM
 
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Yep, sure enough, as is typical with Kotkin, "opportunity urbanism" is just the suburban/auto-centric status quo. Apparently "New Suburbanism" didn't find many takers, so he picked a new name. Basically, Kotkin misrepresents what is meant by New Urbanism, and then claims that the same auto/suburb/greenfield model we have been using since World War II is a radical new approach, using the worst of Agenda 21 boogeyman scare tactics.

The Corner Side Yard: Is "Opportunity Urbanism" Really A Thing?
I don't think he meant that opportunity urbanism is a new approach. It is however an alternative to so-called new urbanism. And by the way new urbanism isn't anything new. It is going back to the old urbanism of Europe and much of the East Coast of United States. Opportunity urbanism is to refine the current status quo worse new urbanism knees going back to a previous time. I do not think that opportunity urbanism necessarily has to be exactly the same as the suburban autocentric development model. I believe that model can be refined. I also don't believe that we somehow will truly go back to the way it was before the automobile.
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