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Old 01-04-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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The city of Portland is planning on capping parts of the 405 through downtown Portland to reclaim valuable land for the city.
WOW even Oregon area malls get on the GRAVY TRAIN of PUBLIC FUNDS!

Clackamas Town Center added over 300,000 of Gross Leasable Area and a dreaded PARKING DECK fueled by public funded expansion too -- Clackamas Town Center Expansion & Renovation | DLR Group

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Old 01-04-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Default Further REFUTES the nonsense promoted by the car haters!

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And? Or is this just an off topic post on your part?

The EXPANSION included a NEW PARKING DECK as well as over 300,000 sq ft of additional Gross Leasable Area -- that is not a sign that malls are DYING, quite the opposite the developers expanded to meet the increased the demand of AFFLUENT COASTAL type shoppers and used PUBLIC FUNDS to do so...
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The EXPANSION included a NEW PARKING DECK as well as over 300,000 sq ft of additional Gross Leasable Area -- that is not a sign that malls are DYING, quite the opposite the developers expanded to meet the increased the demand of AFFLUENT COASTAL type shoppers and used PUBLIC FUNDS to do so...
True, all the malls in the Portland metro are doing good, including the one downtown. Also, downtown Portland has a thriving downtown as well. Not all malls are struggling and dying.
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Old 01-04-2015, 10:37 PM
 
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Depending on the freeway, I don't see all freeways as bad, that would be the OP. I am not the OP. Not sure what argument that you think I was making? Applebee's is a knock on suburbia and how generic suburbia meeting places are, nothing more. Not sure what fact pattern I changed that you are speaking about.



I am NOT the OP, if you have an issue with the OP, address that person directly or send them a private message. I have no issue with cars.




I never said increasing the tax base is the only priority of a city government, but no one is that naive to think taxes aren't important to a city to help it pay for services.

You seem to have a false idea of what a healthy community means, especially if you think it means pushing to derogate individual rights for the benefit of an "inanimate city." I don't buy that description you have of a community/neighborhood/city. I suspect you don't buy it either, but that would go against this anti-city narrative you have built.

Just because I said the city of Detroit should have made GM build all that office space within its downtown rather than on the coast line doesn't mean the city should have forced GM to do that. Detroit could have done it through giving GM land sites downtown or major tax credits to encourage the choice. But then again, I don't know exactly why GM built their headquarters where they did, maybe Detroit had no say in the location and GM wanted to not have anything to really do with downtown other than being in the skyline. I am sure Detroit is happy to receive a tax base from the GM headquarters being near their downtown.

correction: I never said all freeways are bad. Freeways that connect productive places are very good things. Freeways that plow through and destroy productive places are very bad.
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Old 01-04-2015, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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....... As far as fixing suburbia, it doesn't get any easier than a dead mall - so each one that dies is a cause for celebration and a hopeful sign of good things to come.......
What is it about suburbia that needs "fixing"?
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Old 01-05-2015, 01:38 AM
 
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What is it about suburbia that needs "fixing"?
Much needs fixing, much.
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:01 AM
 
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Here's a great use of mall space

Microlofts let residents live large in RI mall - NY Daily News
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Well well well. Seems to me you caused this devolve. Facts do not support your premise, the article made it clear the problems with malls that suffer from high vacancies have nothing to do with cars / freeways / lower density development.

When I went on to show that even your beloved Austin or car hating Portland are actually increasing the space in malls it must really sting. Facts are like that.

When you can't keep your own foolish thread on topic and start grasping at straws / throwing out demeaning insults it is good to get a taste of your medicine.

I say to you GOOD DAY SIR!
I don't recall anyone saying ALL malls are dying, you seem to be running with a false narrative just like you are with thinking Portland is a car hating city just because it puts the pedestrian first.

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Old 01-05-2015, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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My gf and I were having this discussion just the other day. We live in Houston, and there are many malls here. The weird thing is, they are either growing and thriving or they are dying and nearly abandoned. There is no in between. One of the malls that is doing very well is one that nearly died out several years ago. However, it is the only exception in terms of turnaround. The others seem to go more and more downhill, with more abandoned stores and higher crime as time passes. The strip centers are all the rage because we have endless urban sprawl due to our cheap suburban housing available everywhere. It's a sea of boring beige and brick houses, and all of them look identical. Every home in all directions looks like that guy in the black suit in the Matrix. I find it rather sad, actually
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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Default Again with the "SPARKY"?!?

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"The title of the thread very clear was REFUTED -- dying malls are not spreading all across the country. They number only about 20% of all malls. The vast majority, 80% of malls, have NO ISSUES with vacancies."

It's like you people can't read or something. Title of Thread was taken from the title of the slide show. . .check again, Sparky.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/bu...00000003419257

"Contrary to the premise of folks that dream of using even the majority of poorly planned malls as some excuse to undo lower density land uses the FACTS further show that successful malls in place even as focused on transit as AUSTIN TX or PORTLAND OR expand malls AND their associated parking decks."

Happy to show your our dying mall in Austin there, anytime you want. It sits there behind a massive parking apron, a monument to a bygone era. . .
Yo HULABUHJO --

The reason the old mall was suffering had NOTHING TO DO WITH CARS and everything to do with a mix of stores that could not compete with what consumers WANT. In Austin there has been a MARKED SHIFT in the urban population becoming MORE AFFLUENT as the underclass are pushed to the fringes -- Top Ten Demographic Trends in Austin, Texas | Planning | AustinTexas.gov - The Official Website of the City of Austin

Malls that cater to the growing segments do well and those that try to hang on to the past fail -- Divided Austin: Where Citizens are Worlds Apart | TODO Austin
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