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Old 01-20-2015, 08:14 AM
 
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You are not gauging the sense of the Boulder/Broomfield Countians correctly. Many of them want the train, PERIOD!

Well there is Boulder, and then there is reality.
What is the name of that old song, might have been Joe Cocker (RIP),
"You can't always get what you want"....
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Old 01-20-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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Whether they want it or not, it doesn't seem like the best project in the first place (fails to serve the center of Boulder as one reason).
It was a very poorly planned project. It did not go to either the center of Boulder or Longmont.
It was far from a direct line for either, people commuting from Longmont to Denver do not need or want to go west thru Boulder.
It was a half ass proposal, using existing rail ROW to convince Boulder County voters to vote for a tax increase.

It makes no sense at all to have two expensive modes on the same lightly used route.
If either was done correctly, the other would fail. The irony is that if they were doing a
first class BRT system people would realize the train was not needed. BUT they are NOT!
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Old 01-20-2015, 08:35 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Whether they want it or not, it doesn't seem like the best project in the first place (fails to serve the center of Boulder as one reason).
It's what was voted for.

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It was a very poorly planned project. It did not go to either the center of Boulder or Longmont.
It was far from a direct line for either, people commuting from Longmont to Denver do not need or want to go west thru Boulder.
It was a half ass proposal, using existing rail ROW to convince Boulder County voters to vote for a tax increase.

It makes no sense at all to have two expensive modes on the same lightly used route.
If either was done correctly, the other would fail. The irony is that if they were doing a
first class BRT system people would realize the train was not needed. BUT they are NOT!
Thank you for telling all of us in Boulder/Broomfield County what we want/need.
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Old 01-20-2015, 08:40 AM
 
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Thank you for telling all of us in Boulder/Broomfield County what we want/need.

Your welcome. I've been involved in this process since the beginning.
Unfortunately the outcome is seriously flawed.
Most of my friends and neighbors in Boulder realize this.
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Old 01-20-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's what was voted for.



Thank you for telling all of us in Boulder/Broomfield County what we want/need.
Actually a true BRT is just as effective as a light rail line and tends to cost less making it useful for places that are further out. Though BRT isn't usually considered to be as good looking as light rail.
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:04 AM
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Actually a true BRT is just as effective as a light rail line and tends to cost less making it useful for places that are further out. Though BRT isn't usually considered to be as good looking as light rail.
This could turn into an interesting bus vs. rail argument.
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This could turn into an interesting bus vs. rail argument.
Haha, that is true. Hard for me to pick a side on this one. I prefer rail, but understand that bus is sometimes the cheaper and more efficient option, especially if it is BRT.

Personally I don't mind when BRT is used as the first stage of transit that could later be upgraded to rail if there is enough demand.
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Old 01-20-2015, 10:27 AM
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The distance was about 17 miles but that 17 miles has 9 stops on one EL line and 12 on the other assuming about 1 min and 30 seconds per station for loading and unloading you get 31.5 mins alone just for train stops!!

A car would be going 55+ miles an hour the whole route. The green line can't go that fast because it is elevated(it would shake it's structure too much). The Blue and Red lines can barely approach that speed, because the train would be flying into the next station and so the EL rarely travels at it's maximum speed of about 55 miles and hour. It probably averages about 20 miles an hour when you count in stops. The non stop direct nature of the car often trumps public transit.
That sounds like an unlikely average speed unless you're on rural roads. Lights and some traffic should pull the average way down. Unless you were on an expressway the entire drive. But even then, part of the trip involves getting to and from the expressway where the average speed is lower and if the trip is during or near rush hour, 55+ on an expressway in a big metro sounds unrealistic.
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Old 01-20-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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They picked a starting point that's unusually far from a subway station for most places near Manhattan. I'm also unsure how he managed to take 45 minutes longer than google maps time, perhaps he got unlucky and the train was delayed, if it hadn't transit would have been the fastest. Of course, they could have done a radial trip where transit would have been clearly worse than driving. In any case, there's a big difference in convenience between transit taking 20-30% slower and it taking 2-3X longer than driving. The first is tolerable to many the other only tolerable if it's an occasional trip.
I see he transferred trains for some reason at Grand Central. From the Bedford Park gate of the Bronx Botanical Gardens, you simply have to take the Bx26 to Jerome Avenue and then take the 4 train down to Bowling Green. No need to transfer trains at Grand Central. So already, something's screwed up there.

On a recent trip, I recall it took about 45 minutes to get from 149th/GC to Bowling Green, including rush hour delays that slowed us down. Assuming little to delays north of 149th (since that's the merge point with the 5 train), that adds around 20-25 minutes to the travel time. Add in the waiting time for the bus, plus the 5-10 minute bus ride, and you're around an hour and a half tops.

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A couple things I am noticing about the transit portion of that article. The man waited for a bus rather than walk half a mile. That is just lazy to wait for a bus if you are capable of walking. Most New Yorkers have no problem walking a half a mile or more to get to the subway. In this case, that walk would have taken him about 7-10 minutes.
Depending on the situation, it might involve a steep hill, though. In this particular area, there are some rolling hills. Nothing crazy like some other Bronx neighborhoods, but still. Although it looks like it wasn't really a concern of his, since he said he was deciding whether to walk or wait for the bus.

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I love the part where he complains about the smell...newsflash, all of New York City has a smell, it is an old dirty big city. Some times it smells like old gym socks and pee.
Honestly, I rarely smell anything too crazy on the trains. Maybe on some of the platforms themselves, but hardly ever on the trains.

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Also another thing that is very questionable that he doesn't address is did he take a local or an express train. Any New Yorker knows you take an express train for any long commutes unless you like riding a train for a long time. I have a feeling a local train helped pad his numbers on how long it took him.
I have a feeling that's why he randomly transferred at Grand Central when there was no need.

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Actually looking at his route, it should have taken him just under an hour to do. It taking him almost 2 hours to make that commute is a bold faced lie. And he could have saved himself $2.50, by just walking to the nearest subway station rather than wait for a bus.
Actually, you get a free transfer from the subway to the bus, or vice versa. The fact that he paid $5 was because there were two people traveling, not because they took a bus to reach the subway.
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Old 01-20-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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I suppose I could use public transportation to get to work...
  • Walk ten miles to the bus stop that's closest to my house
  • Ride the bus for fifteen minutes
  • Get off at the bus stop that's closest to where I work
  • Walk eight miles to work from that bus stop
Nah - I think I'll just drive to work.
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