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Old 02-10-2015, 03:45 PM
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Detroit, Saint Louis, and Cleveland should have followed LA's lead... and built more freeways. Perhaps their population decline wouldn't have been so significant over the past 60 years.
Per capita, Los Angeles has far less freeways than the others, at least per capita. Having trouble finding a source, but I read it somewhere.
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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Detroit has seen a massive decline in population, but on a percentage basis it hasn't actually been the worst. Since the 1950 census, the population of Saint Louis has dropped 62.7% (Detroit has dropped 61.4%). The only city that has seen a significant increase in population is LA; the freeway capital of the world .
L.A. is something of a special case, in that its official population tally is misleading for comparison to other cities. The unincorporated parts of L.A. county make the city's official population count odd in comparison to L.A.'s layout. Some incorporated parts of L.A. are less connected to the core city itself than some unincorporated parts. East L.A., which is unincorporated, has a population of ~124,000, and there's not any real question about whether it is part of L.A.

I'd go so far as to say that MSA makes more sense to look at, but that would mess up the chart you posted, as most of those cities have seen MSA growth. And that's without even considering cutting SFV or San Gabriel from L.A.'s population for a more apt comparison.
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Old 02-10-2015, 06:55 PM
 
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Per capita, Los Angeles has far less freeways than the others, at least per capita. Having trouble finding a source, but I read it somewhere.
Is this by lane mile? Because NYC also has a lot of freeways but you won't find many wider than 3 lanes per direction.

I'm trying to think of places around NYC with more than 4 lanes each way and all I can come up with is the NJ Turnpike, the Garden State Parkway (at least the part with the express lanes), and a few other interstates like 78 and 80 as they approach the city.
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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Per capita, Los Angeles has far less freeways than the others, at least per capita. Having trouble finding a source, but I read it somewhere.
Are you thinking lanes miles per metro area? That's the only thing I've seen.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:04 PM
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Are you thinking lanes miles per metro area? That's the only thing I've seen.
I think so.

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I'm trying to think of places around NYC with more than 4 lanes each way and all I can come up with is the NJ Turnpike, the Garden State Parkway (at least the part with the express lanes), and a few other interstates like 78 and 80 as they approach the city.
It'd be nice to see an inner vs outer metro or city vs suburb split. Many western cities are relatively flat in build and de-centralized. But if the NYC metro scores high because it has lots of freeways in the outer suburbs, it has little revelance for the city proper, which has very different traffic conditions. I think almost all the expressways in the NYC city limits have no more than three lanes, LIE has four in spots. Does the Jackie Robinson Parkway even qualify? It's all exits, but it has a 30 mph curve...
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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I think so.

It'd be nice to see an inner vs outer metro or city vs suburb split. Many western cities are relatively flat in build and de-centralized. But if the NYC metro scores high because it has lots of freeways in the outer suburbs, it has little revelance for the city proper, which has very different traffic conditions. I think almost all the expressways in the NYC city limits have no more than three lanes, LIE has four in spots. Does the Jackie Robinson Parkway even qualify? It's all exits, but it has a 30 mph curve...
Yeah, you're not going to see much in the way of 6 or 8 lane freeways anywhere in the northeast but I think a major difference, aside from the era in which those places were built, is that the northeast in particular and the east coast in general, does a much better job with state highways. That might be owing to topography, I don't know, but in the Bay Area there is El Camino and there's International Blvd and then there are freeways. There is no equivalent of Route 1, Route 9, Route 35, etc. in NJ or Route 9 in the Boston suburbs.

In NY, NJ, PA, MD, etc I would rarely consider getting on an interstate or freeway for a trip of a few miles unless it was directly in my path. In CA the viable alternatives to getting on a freeway is to take a different freeway.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Detroit, Saint Louis, and Cleveland should have followed LA's lead... and built more freeways. Perhaps their population decline wouldn't have been so significant over the past 60 years.
More cities should indeed follow LA's lead. By the late 1980's it was clear that the freeways were not keeping up with the traffic, and started building rail: subway, light rail, commuter rail (including the nation's first suburb to suburb line). Metrolink now has the highest ridership of any system that started up since 1980.
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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its probably not a good city for biking though so everyone is eathere taking the train or driving.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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MMetrolink now has the highest ridership of any system that started up since 1980.
I would certainly hope so. No other major city had a system built during that time period, so LA is basically being compared to the Orlandos of the world.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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I would certainly hope so. No other major city had a system built during that time period, so LA is basically being compared to the Orlandos of the world.
Orlando's one line only went into service last year. Just in time for freeway construction.

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