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Old 02-18-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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Washington D.C. suburb Montgomery County, MD is in the process of creating their own transit agency to oversee their massive BRT network. The map is below in this link:

Montgomery County's Independent Transit Authority Proposal - Communities for Transit

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1422649222
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Washington D.C. suburb Montgomery County, MD is in the process of creating their own transit agency to oversee their massive BRT network. The map is below in this link:

Montgomery County's Independent Transit Authority Proposal - Communities for Transit

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1422649222
Wow, in 5 years? That is an ambitious plan. It will definitely be interesting following this one and see what their end product looks like.
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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Washington D.C. suburb Montgomery County, MD is in the process of creating their own transit agency to oversee their massive BRT network. The map is below in this link:

Montgomery County's Independent Transit Authority Proposal - Communities for Transit

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1422649222


Region-wide BRT sounds like a good idea for Montgomery County. The low population density is a third that
of Los Angeles County. But I doubt anywhere near the planned 80 miles of bus routes will be actual BRT.
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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Wow, in 5 years? That is an ambitious plan. It will definitely be interesting following this one and see what their end product looks like.
I'm not holding my breath. They can't get their Transit Center open.

Cost of Silver Spring Transit Center repairs jumps another $21 million - The Washington Post
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Wow, in 5 years? That is an ambitious plan. It will definitely be interesting following this one and see what their end product looks like.
Check back in ten years. I'll look about like what DC's streetcar network does.
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Old 02-22-2015, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Check back in ten years. I'll look about like what DC's streetcar network does.
Will do.
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Old 02-22-2015, 01:00 AM
 
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Partly, yeah. But if you're LA-Centric the bus is scary even in white neighborhoods just because it's the bus. There's certainly a component of elitism and being afraid of browns, but it goes beyond that. There's just simply bus cooties. Other places like Seattle not so much. San Francisco is kind of moderate. People mostly don't like the bus because it's ridiculously slow and unreliable rather than because of bus cooties or browns.

Of course, it's not like rail is viewed as any different in LA. Whites are still afraid of the rail almost as much as the bus. Only 20% of ridership is white on LA's light rail. That might sound really low, but then LA is only 30% white. The "LA-Centric" fear of buses and browns we're talking about generally lives in Orange County, although there are a few white enclaves for the white minority to shelter in.
I can attest to this - not sure about the ethnic component - but whenever i've been there it's almost always been without a car and strangers were not only shocked to hear that I took a bus but also, being from out of town, how I "figured it out."

I didn't get the impression that people were scared of it - just oblivious - I had to explain the transit feature on google maps to them.
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Old 06-08-2015, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Update: It looks like the city decided to go with BRT to save money. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't choose LRT as I feel that would have been ahead of the curve. However, I welcome the update to the Birmingham transit options.

BJCTA plans new downtown circulator, bus rapid transit system for Birmingham - Birmingham Business Journal
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Old 06-09-2015, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Update: It looks like the city decided to go with BRT to save money. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't choose LRT as I feel that would have been ahead of the curve. However, I welcome the update to the Birmingham transit options.

BJCTA plans new downtown circulator, bus rapid transit system for Birmingham - Birmingham Business Journal
Usually when they decide to use BRT to save money, it's not going to be a modern, full BRT system. By "Rapid Bus" they probably mean a limited stop service running with regular traffic most of the way perhaps with some signal prioritization and/or queue jumps at major intersections. Sadly, by the time they "re-evaluate" light rail in 2021, the cost will be significantly higher, so they may not be saving money in the end.
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Old 06-10-2015, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Usually when they decide to use BRT to save money, it's not going to be a modern, full BRT system. By "Rapid Bus" they probably mean a limited stop service running with regular traffic most of the way perhaps with some signal prioritization and/or queue jumps at major intersections. Sadly, by the time they "re-evaluate" light rail in 2021, the cost will be significantly higher, so they may not be saving money in the end.
Birmingham won't have the ridership density in 2021 that rail would make sense there either. In Sacramento, it took about 20 years before light rail was less expensive than buses. That's despite the fact that rail replaced the heaviest used bus lines. Running buses on the same routes still likely would be cheaper. Same with Portland which has much more ridership. MAX is cheaper than the average bus cost, but not significantly cheaper than the frequent service bus lines. There's other advantages, of course, but cost savings isn't one of them. I don't see Birmingham getting similar ridership numbers as Portland by 2021 even if they'd built the rail and it was operating today.
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