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Old 03-31-2015, 11:25 AM
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https://pedestrianobservations.wordp...per-kilometer/

Numbers in millions of riders per year.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It would be nice to see the same breakdown for American systems.

When people say that X route is "high ridership" and "due for rail," I just wonder what that means.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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Has anyone found any data on per line per direction?

We know what the posted capacity constraints are but crush loads regularly exceed those limits. We build our infrastructure to satisfy peak period demand so this exercise is interesting to me in getting to the root of how much particular modes can handle vis-a-vis the local density in the built environment.

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I had no idea SEPTA had surpassed MBTA in Commuter Rail ridership by 4,000. Its funny New York and Philadelphia appear multiple times on the commuter rail chart. I think we have to be the most inter-connected cities and region ever.
If NJTransit ever finds funding for the West Trenton line the connections will be pretty intense.
New Jersey Transit

Also really well connected are Baltimore/Washington although at about half the distance of NYC/Philly and SF/Oakland/San Jose but again, at much shorter distances.

It's really a shame that all the screw ups on the Big Dig meant no commuter rail tunnel for Boston. With that I think Boston would've kept its edge.
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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Has anyone found any data on per line per direction?

We know what the posted capacity constraints are but crush loads regularly exceed those limits. We build our infrastructure to satisfy peak period demand so this exercise is interesting to me in getting to the root of how much particular modes can handle vis-a-vis the local density in the built environment.



If NJTransit ever finds funding for the West Trenton line the connections will be pretty intense.
New Jersey Transit

Also really well connected are Baltimore/Washington although at about half the distance of NYC/Philly and SF/Oakland/San Jose but again, at much shorter distances.

It's really a shame that all the screw ups on the Big Dig meant no commuter rail tunnel for Boston. With that I think Boston would've kept its edge.

If NJT finds it....i will surely ride it. Its like being at 30th st hearing "Trenton Line service has been suspended....I can take the West Trenton to get to New York " lol. I do think the West Trenton Line might take a bit more longer then the NEC. San Fran / Oakland are and since they right across the bay from each other at shorter distances lol.

If i can find some SEPTA reports from this year to see the ridership levels i will post it. Yeah Boston is crazy on that one. I think one central railroad station is the KEY ...I Give SEPTA credit for that one...all the lines connect into one station......and with both subways on top. (Suburban , 15th St Station)
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Old 04-05-2015, 10:57 PM
 
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I just checked APTA files and SEPTA COMMUTER RAIL avg'd 134.6k weekday riders. Seems the spike happened in November '14. A 1.64%+ increase.
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Old 04-13-2015, 08:12 AM
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Often, it's too high volume for bus, ignores that in more transit oriented, high volumes by bus are common.



https://twitter.com/alon_levy/status/585888489264254976
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Old 04-13-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Often, it's too high volume for bus, ignores that in more transit oriented, high volumes by bus are common.



https://twitter.com/alon_levy/status/585888489264254976
I think in LA the high ridership bus lines have higher riders per mile than the LRT lines do. Bus lines like the Wilshire (10) Van Nuys (233/744) and Vermont (204/754).
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Old 04-13-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Often, it's too high volume for bus, ignores that in more transit oriented, high volumes by bus are common.



https://twitter.com/alon_levy/status/585888489264254976
which orange line is he talking about?

LA, Philly, Boston, DC?
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Old 04-13-2015, 12:47 PM
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which orange line is he talking about?

LA, Philly, Boston, DC?
Los Angeles. Previous twitter post:

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Old 04-14-2015, 12:00 AM
 
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Los Angeles. Previous twitter post:

Thanks for that. I avoid twitter for precisely this reason . . . because I would be forced to say things like,

That dude is an insufferable shill who would make good buddies with Randal O'Toole.

The 23 bus in Philly carries almost as many people as the LA Orange Line . It's also one of the longest urban bus routes in the country and it stops on every friggin' corner letting people on and off over most of the route
filling up as it heads down from Chestnut Hill but emptying out as it meets the subway at Broad St., filling up again a bit, but letting off a lot more people at Temple, filling up again, but emptying out at Market St. Taking on more at Market but emptying out through South Philly.

It's a completely different ridership profile. Of course a bus route with multiple employment and transit nodes and hundreds of stops can carry more people than an express route with a dozen stations and one major node. But it's completely irrelevant. If the buses are full they're full.

Edit: ohhh, it's Sandy Smith? Yeah, not surprised by that either.
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