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Old 06-24-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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I don't get that concept, at all. That would mean that all mixed-use districts, by definition, aren't residential. That eliminates almost all of the best urban neighborhoods in the U.S.

And I'm not aware of neighborhoods that lack elementary schools.
There's a difference between a CBD and a mixed use district.

Speaking very generally, every home in a school district has an assigned elementary, middle and high school, but they are not necessarily in the neighborhood, or even within walking distance.

https://www.dpsk12.org/pdf/DPS_Distr...ap_2012_13.pdf
Note the near absence of schools in the area bounded by I-25 on the west, Colfax on the south, Lincoln on the east, and roughly the Platte River on the north. Most of that is the CBD.

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Old 07-01-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, Austin, Texas
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There's a difference between a CBD and a mixed use district.

Speaking very generally, every home in a school district has an assigned elementary, middle and high school, but they are not necessarily in the neighborhood, or even within walking distance.

https://www.dpsk12.org/pdf/DPS_Distr...ap_2012_13.pdf
Note the near absence of schools in the area bounded by I-25 on the west, Colfax on the south, Lincoln on the east, and roughly the Platte River on the north. Most of that is the CBD.
I have not seen a lot of consistency as to how CBD and mixed use districts are defined. We had a small part of, what is generally considered to be our CBD, that was zoned single family up until 10 years ago.
The 'B' for business in CBD is a little misleading with all of the civic/gov't and residential land uses.

In Texas every parcel has to be within a school district and tracking to specific elem, middle and high schools, even if they are not necessarily in that neighborhood, zip code, etc.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I have not seen a lot of consistency as to how CBD and mixed use districts are defined. We had a small part of, what is generally considered to be our CBD, that was zoned single family up until 10 years ago.
The 'B' for business in CBD is a little misleading with all of the civic/gov't and residential land uses.

In Texas every parcel has to be within a school district and tracking to specific elem, middle and high schools, even if they are not necessarily in that neighborhood, zip code, etc.
CBD stands for "Central Business District". Here's a decent definition:
Central Business District (CBD) - Geography Definition
"The CBD is essentially about perception. It is usually the "postcard image" one has of a particular city. There have been various attempts at delineating the boundaries of the CBD but, for the most part, one can visually or instinctively know when the CBD starts and ends as it is the core and contains a plethora of tall buildings, high density, a lack of parking, transportation nodes, a large number of pedestrians on the street and generally just a lot of activity during the daytime. The bottom line is that the CBD is what people think of a city when they think of its downtown area."

Here's a definition of "mixed use" that is pretty good.
Mixed-Use Development Fits Infill, Redevelopment, and Greenfields
"Mixed-use development means a building or complex includes a mixture of land uses. Typically the term is used when residential uses are combined with office, commercial, entertainment, child care, or civic uses such as schools, libraries, or government services."


In Colorado every parcel is within a school district as well, and every dwelling has an attendance area school. Some cities have gone away from this with more "open enrollment", e.g. New Orleans.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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There's no consistent definition of CBD or neighborhood. It's whatever you want to say.

And all neighborhoods have assigned schools. Whether or not they're "in the neighborhood" is an unanswerable question, because there are no such thing as Census-derived neighborhood boundaries.
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Old 07-01-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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There's no consistent definition of CBD or neighborhood. It's whatever you want to say.

And all neighborhoods have assigned schools. Whether or not they're "in the neighborhood" is an unanswerable question, because there are no such thing as Census-derived neighborhood boundaries.
You are the one who said the below, which started this conversation.

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I don't get that concept, at all. That would mean that all mixed-use districts, by definition, aren't residential. That eliminates almost all of the best urban neighborhoods in the U.S.

And I'm not aware of neighborhoods that lack elementary schools.
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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I don't get that concept, at all. That would mean that all mixed-use districts, by definition, aren't residential. That eliminates almost all of the best urban neighborhoods in the U.S.

And I'm not aware of neighborhoods that lack elementary schools.
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There's no consistent definition of CBD or neighborhood. It's whatever you want to say.

And all neighborhoods have assigned schools. Whether or not they're "in the neighborhood" is an unanswerable question, because there are no such thing as Census-derived neighborhood boundaries.
The Census may not define neighborhood boundaries, but cities certainly do. Back Bay and Beacon Hill in Boston are two city-defined neighborhoods without any elementary schools.

Is Elementary School Out Forever in Back Bay and Beacon Hill? - Curbed Boston
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Old 07-01-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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The Census may not define neighborhood boundaries, but cities certainly do. Back Bay and Beacon Hill in Boston are two city-defined neighborhoods without any elementary schools.

Is Elementary School Out Forever in Back Bay and Beacon Hill? - Curbed Boston
I never realized those neighborhoods didn't have an elementary school. There was one directly across the street from me, in the South End (Warren and Dartmouth) that's only four blocks from The Back Bay. I will concede that when neighborhoods are that small, geographically speaking, they may not need their own elementary school.
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:06 PM
 
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City departments define neighborhoods for planning, policing, school assignments, council districts, and other purposes. Often one department's designations are very different from another's. But "neighborhood" boundaries are purely subjective.
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Old 07-01-2016, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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City departments define neighborhoods for planning, policing, school assignments, council districts, and other purposes. Often one department's designations are very different from another's. But "neighborhood" boundaries are purely subjective.
Im not sure what you're saying here. Some neighborhoods are subjective, but others have distinct, government-set boundaries. Boundaries are not always completely universal, but it's a pretty big stretch to call something with distinct lines on a map "subjective".

http://www.bostonredevelopmentauthor...-5fdbcc135823/

Even if you account for some fuzziness at the borders, you won't find anyone who will say that there's an elementary school in Back Bay or Beacon Hill. The nearest schools are clearly in other neighborhoods.

The City of Cambridge also has clearly defined, completely objective neighborhoods:

Neighborhood Map Gallery - CDD - City of Cambridge, Massachusetts

I'm sure lots of other places do, too.
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Old 07-01-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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