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Old 08-26-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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The land area of a metros primary city is a very influential variable in local urban cultures around the world.

Large land area cities

Pros
Many affordable areas within the city proper
More fiscally efficient.
Room for growth, thus great real estate opprtunities
Captures close inn suburban tax base.
More middle class friendly.

Cons
Not as much rail transit incentive
Not as environmentally friendly
Sub-par downtowns
Captures the entirety of ringed slums
Not as many municipal options.

Small Cities

Pros
Good transit
Good downtowns
Alot of different commutable municipal options
Environmentally friendly
Excludes metro slums

Cons
Expensive
Crowded
excludes wealthy inner suburban tax base
No middle class, not family friendly.

Middle cities would obviously fall between that spectrum with variations based on size and shape.

What do you think is healthier for a city in 2016 600sq miles or 60sq miles?
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Old 08-26-2016, 09:27 PM
 
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I don't know if smaller city limits automatically mean expensive, no middle class and no family friendly areas. Maybe coastal cities, but not those inland.
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Old 08-27-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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I think that there are a lot of presumptions going on here that probably aren't always rooted in fact and data.
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Old 08-27-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Among other things the OP conflates the city with the people.
As noted in a preceding post, there are many presumptions implicit in the OP's inquiry which aren't rooted in fact and indeed may be wholly incorrect or incomplete.

Perhaps it's better for there not to be a city at all.
The existence of the "city" is distinct from the existence of the people.
There is nothing particularly magical about residing within the geographic territory of an incorporated political subdivision of a state unless you find paying taxes to that entity to be magical.
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Old 08-27-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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Among other things the OP conflates the city with the people.
As noted in a preceding post, there are many presumptions implicit in the OP's inquiry which aren't rooted in fact and indeed may be wholly incorrect or incomplete.

Perhaps it's better for there not to be a city at all.
The existence of the "city" is distinct from the existence of the people.
There is nothing particularly magical about residing within the geographic territory of an incorporated political subdivision of a state unless you find paying taxes to that entity to be magical.
It does come down to taxes. In cities with larger land areas it is harder to escape the taxes, and still be within commuting distance of downtown. That does make a big difference.

I have no idea what your talking about as far as the city and the people being magical or whatever. I never said anything like that.

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Old 08-27-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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It does come down to taxes. In cities with larger land areas it is harder to escape the taxes, and still be within commuting distance of downtown. That does make a big difference.

I have no idea what your talking about as far as the city and the people being magical or whatever. I never said anything like that.
You have confused the city as an entity with the people in the city - a common theme in this forum. You list aspects that might be pros or cons for people (not really the list was presumptive). But then you pose the question: "What do you think is healthier for a city in 2016 600sq miles or 60sq miles?"

So you veered off track about the people and jumped to some non-sequitur question about which was a better size for a city. Why would the people living in an area care if they were living in an incorporated area? Why would they care whether the political subdivision they reside within spans a geographic territory of X miles?
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Old 08-27-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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You have confused the city as an entity with the people in the city - a common theme in this forum. You list aspects that might be pros or cons for people (not really the list was presumptive). But then you pose the question: "What do you think is healthier for a city in 2016 600sq miles or 60sq miles?"

So you veered off track about the people and jumped to some non-sequitur question about which was a better size for a city. Why would the people living in an area care if they were living in an incorporated area? Why would they care whether the political subdivision they reside within spans a geographic territory of X miles?
I'm simply asking what makes more economic sense for an urban area, lt's not whether or not people care. Boundaries do matter because of school districts and taxing. If detroit was to add 100sq miles tommorrow, most of those residents would leave asap.

I may have worded it incorrectly.
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Old 08-27-2016, 11:24 PM
 
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I'm simply asking what makes more economic sense for an urban area, lt's not whether or not people care. Boundaries do matter because of school districts and taxing. If detroit was to add 100sq miles tommorrow, most of those residents would leave asap.

I may have worded it incorrectly.
Economic sense for who?
An "urban area" is just a geographic territory.
Are you referring to the people there? If so then why would they care?
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:50 AM
 
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Economic sense for who?
An "urban area" is just a geographic territory.
Are you referring to the people there? If so then why would they care?
An urban area is not just a geographic area. It is a man-made environment that is heavily influenced by commerce and transportation. Are you asking why people would care about salaries, taxes, COL, and job opportunities? It's a simple concept.

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Old 08-28-2016, 07:46 AM
 
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An urban area is not just a geographic area. It is a man-made environment that is heavily influenced by commerce and transportation. Are you asking why people would care about salaries, taxes, COL, and job opportunities? It's a simple concept.
Your question is "What do you think is healthier for a city in 2016 600sq miles or 60sq miles?"
Are you referring to the people in the city or the city as an entity?

Your pros and cons were directed at aspects important to people.
Your question, however, appears to be about the city as an entity.
These are two distinct things.
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