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View Poll Results: Have you travelled abroad and found things you would like the US to do in regards to urban planning?
Yes, have been abroad and feel there are things from elsewhere that should be implemented in the US 57 81.43%
Yes, have been abroad and feel there is nothing to be learned from abroad 4 5.71%
No, but think there might be interesting things to learn from elsewhere 5 7.14%
No, and don't believe there is anything to be learned from anywhere else 4 5.71%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-01-2017, 12:05 PM
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Well to be nitpicky

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According to the poll, it's what we did or didn't like! Just sayin'.
The poll also asks whether we could learn things from the places visited; you could like some places but still feel there is little to learn from them say, because American cities are too different. The third choice is odd; how could you not like a place but still feel there's interesting things to learn from them? Maybe what not to do?

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Though that's not the thread title, which presumes we liked things, but didn't dislike anything.
Maybe, it asks what places impressed you, so presumably no places impressed.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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According to the poll, it's what we did or didn't like! Just sayin'. Though that's not the thread title, which presumes we liked things, but didn't dislike anything.
Well, yea, that's the point--things you liked that you thought might work here. Do you want to get a grab bag of all the worst things you saw and bring that over instead? Isn't that a tad sociopathic?
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:49 PM
 
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^^Beyond rude!
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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Speaking of Germany, I was impressed how much the center cities were rebuilt to the old form in a way that tried to keep the old urban form and style. Rather than say, developing in outlying areas and ignoring the old city. May reflect a culture that values their cities more? Or just an architectural conservatism?
Europe, being about the size of the U.S., tends to subsidize farmers and, therefore, discourage farmland being used for other purposes (ie. suburbs). Also, automobiles and gasoline tend to be more expensive. So, with less available urban land to develop and the cost of private transportation, re-building urban centers after WWII made the most sense.
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Old 01-02-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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There are three main things which impact U.S. urban development that don't impact urban development in most places in Europe:

1) the relatively low cost to own an automobile and the relatively low cost to use and maintain it (compared to public transport),
2) the relative availability and low cost (compared to urban land) of rural land to develop,
3) the relatively high rate of U.S. crime relative to any given population density; which makes living in less dense areas more attractive

If one were to significantly reverse only one of these three factors (or sufficiently reverse two of them), it would encourage an urban vs rural trend more akin to that found in many, if not most, parts of Europe.

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Old 01-03-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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Yes, I meant public space in general; also just on regular streets. I don't remember the public spaces only next to cathedrals or even many of them. Parks? I didn't think there was much difference. Depends on the city; London has more parkland than NYC in its center. Berlin not quite as much but has a 520 acre park in its center, plus a lot of small parks + pedestrianized streets in inner city neighborhoods such as these.

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As for NYC's Central Park; it's a great park, but the rest of the island has little public space. Would be nice if it had small parks or European-style "squares".



It certainly read it was about me; our conversation was directed towards each other. I'd much prefer people respond to my posts with response about my ideas not some general perception of the forum. But you know I hate "the sense of the forum". And how can "the forum" respond and defend itself?

[Could you point out where it says that?

Well at least doesn't contradict at a later age. The peak of the millenial generation (as the highest numbers) is aging, so if they're buying cars at a later age; a big increase following low sales would match that.
There are the public pedestrian spaces NYC has made over the last several years around places like Times Square and Madison Square Park. I know the city got a lot of cranks who were angry over them at first, but I think they've worked out relatively well.

I think the bigger park deficit is in Brooklyn--it'd be nice if there were more pocket parks located around the borough, but I'm not sure how the city would do that given how valuable real estate is.

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Old 01-03-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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There are the public pedestrian spaces NYC has made over the last several years around places like Times Square and Madison Square Park. I know the city got a lot of cranks who were angry over them at first, but I think they've worked out relatively well.

I think the bigger park deficit is in Brooklyn--it'd be nice if there were more pocket parks located around the borough, but I'm not sure how the city would do that given how valuable real estate is.
Last post got a bit wonky with the quoting.
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Old 01-03-2017, 05:56 PM
 
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Speaking of Germany, I was impressed how much the center cities were rebuilt to the old form in a way that tried to keep the old urban form and style. Rather than say, developing in outlying areas and ignoring the old city. May reflect a culture that values their cities more? Or just an architectural conservatism?
Valuing city living is probably the most important reason, as well as cherishing a city as it once was (before being flattened in war).

Contrast this to a country that has never cared much for cities, such as the USA. We vote with our feet, or rather, with our cars, and move to the suburbs.
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Old 01-08-2017, 03:30 PM
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Kinda channelized rivers in Montpelier, Vermont. Made me think of the Urban Planning forum

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Old 01-08-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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Europe, being about the size of the U.S., tends to subsidize farmers and, therefore, discourage farmland being used for other purposes (ie. suburbs). Also, automobiles and gasoline tend to be more expensive. So, with less available urban land to develop and the cost of private transportation, re-building urban centers after WWII made the most sense.
I'm sure another factor was that European cities have more history.
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