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Old 05-03-2017, 06:51 PM
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I wasn't arguing the subsidy was a problem, nor that it should be removed. Your responses felt like you thought I was saying something else. I was considering only operating costs since presumably the worker would have the car regardless.

I certainly thought the times I've gotten compensated was very generous beyond any wear and tear additional mileage would bring; but my car was paid for long before
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The City of Buffalo!
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On a per-passenger mile basis, every form of public transportation is subsidized more than the automobile... a lot more.
No it's not, ever hear of the Interstate Highway System?
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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No it's not, ever hear of the Interstate Highway System?
That was built based upon the imposition of a Federal gasoline tax. Initially it was for general revenue, and floated between $0.01 and %0.15 a gallon. It was raised to $0.03 a gallon in 1956 and $0.04 a gallon in 1959. That was a big percentage of what was then quarter a gallon gasoline. In stages that has increased to the current level of $0.184 a gallon in 1997. States impose their own taxes. In New York the aggregate of Federal, State and local taxes is about $0.69 a gallon (see article, link). Some of that money is diverted to general revenues. But it is very unclear that their is much subsidy of roads.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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No it's not, ever hear of the Interstate Highway System?
Ever hear of buses using these roads?
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:31 AM
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Ever hear of buses using these roads?
not much, most buses use local roads. Also was existing express transportation infrastructure — rail. Highways don't give an extra benefit to transit.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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not much, most buses use local roads. Also was existing express transportation infrastructure — rail. Highways don't give an extra benefit to transit.
Intercity buses most certainly do use the interstates a lot. In addition, the RTD Denver buses do use the interstates, and in fact have some special lanes for doing so. They also use US Highway 36, which is a federal road.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:18 AM
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Intercity buses most certainly do use the interstates a lot.
True, though rail provides the same service or better; the interstates didn't provide any benefit for mass transit . Though any intercity bus from New England to NYC has no interstate connection and crawls on city streets for 40 minutes. Boston has a good connection, but interstates have traffic jams.

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In addition, the RTD Denver buses do use the interstates, and in fact have some special lanes for doing so.
There's one express bus in near Springfield that us; Hartford area buses do use the interstates a bit. NYC and Boston area transit rarely uses highways; there's rail.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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True, though rail provides the same service or better; the interstates didn't provide any benefit for mass transit . Though any intercity bus from New England to NYC has no interstate connection and crawls on city streets for 40 minutes. Boston has a good connection, but interstates have traffic jams.



There's one express bus in near Springfield that us; Hartford area buses do use the interstates a bit. NYC and Boston area transit rarely uses highways; there's rail.
At the risky of sounding snarky , Boston and NYC are not the "gold standard" for the entire country. It's hard to get anywhere in Denver w/o using some interstate or another, mostly I-25 and its tributaries. Many of the express buses use the interstates.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:46 AM
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At the risky of sounding snarky , Boston and NYC are not the "gold standard" for the entire country. It's hard to get anywhere in Denver w/o using some interstate or another, mostly I-25 and its tributaries. Many of the express buses use the interstates.
They're the two closest large cities to me, so they what's relevant to me. Same reason you bring up Denver? Again, as I said many times, posting about Boston and NYC isn't making a statement about the whole country nor that they're "gold standard". Are your posts about Denver meant to? I wouldn't assume so unless you stated so. I haven't lived in most of the country; my experience is don't hear of "buses using interstates" much at all.

The Northeast has a larger network of older rail infrastructure than most of the country; rail replaces a lot of express buses.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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They're the two closest large cities to me, so they what's relevant to me. Same reason you bring up Denver? Again, as I said many times, posting about Boston and NYC isn't making a statement about the whole country nor that they're "gold standard". Are your posts about Denver meant to? I wouldn't assume so unless you stated so. I haven't lived in most of the country; my experience is don't hear of "buses using interstates" much at all.

The Northeast has a larger network of older rail infrastructure than most of the country; rail replaces a lot of express buses.
You and I like to post what we know, contrary to a lot of people on CD. However, I'm just pointing out that what you know is not necessarily how it is everywhere.

I-25 is literally the "main drag" through the Denver metro area.

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