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This is probably throwing down some red meat. The stereotype is likely either the culdesac/shopping mall/office park or the established railroad suburb with good commuter rail and great schools. But of course there are many types, including the industrial and the corporate suburb. I once stated a mathematic rule bases on population and distance. But I believe the following are also indicators:
Sharing a border with large city.
Having a substantial (over 25%) of working population working in large city or over 25% of local workers living in large city.
Zoning out heavy industry or housing under $350K. Bonus points for having been sued over restrictions.
Having sports team with name of large city.
No local TV station, served by one in large city.
This is probably throwing down some red meat. The stereotype is likely either the culdesac/shopping mall/office park or the established railroad suburb with good commuter rail and great schools. But of course there are many types, including the industrial and the corporate suburb. I once stated a mathematic rule bases on population and distance. But I believe the following are also indicators:
Sharing a border with large city.
Having a substantial (over 25%) of working population working in large city or over 25% of local workers living in large city.
Zoning out heavy industry or housing under $350K. Bonus points for having been sued over restrictions.
Having sports team with name of large city.
No local TV station, served by one in large city.
Some other rules of thumb?
We've discussed this before. I think nei will have a stroke when he sees this. Meanwhile-
1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. No. Actually, most of our newer teams here in CO are called "Colorado", including the Rockies and Avalanche, who play in Denver.
5. No.
To me, it is economic and political integration with the core city. For example, cities that are within the same county and have close economic ties qualify as suburbs, while those in separate counties and have more economic independence don't. This is why to me Long Beach, CA qualifies as a suburb of Los Angeles, while Fort Worth, TX does not qualify as a suburb of Dallas.
I'd say no for pvande55 for all. However, his criteria does reflect a certain type of bedroom suburb.
I thought we weren't doing any more of these "definition of 'suburb' " threads again.
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Originally Posted by Pink Jazz
To me, it is economic and political integration with the core city. For example, cities that are within the same county and have close economic ties qualify as suburbs, while those in separate counties and have more economic independence don't. This is why to me Long Beach, CA qualifies as a suburb of Los Angeles, while Fort Worth, TX does not qualify as a suburb of Dallas.
Denver is a separate county; St. Louis is a separate county; most cities in Virginia are not in a county, etc.
I thought we weren't doing any more of these "definition of 'suburb' " threads again.
Denver is a separate county; St. Louis is a separate county; most cities in Virginia are not in a county, etc.
Originally; a County, in Europe centuries ago, was a region under the jurisdiction of a Count, e.g. Dracula. In most States, cities are still within the County jurisdiction.
Originally; a County, in Europe centuries ago, was a region under the jurisdiction of a Count, e.g. Dracula. In most States, cities are still within the County jurisdiction.
Interesting history, though I'd like to see a citation.
Originally; a County, in Europe centuries ago, was a region under the jurisdiction of a Count, e.g. Dracula. In most States, cities are still within the County jurisdiction.
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City boundaries are independent of county boundaries. You can have a city completely contained within a county or its territory can spread into two more more counties. Cities and counties do not share "jurisdiction". Generally you do not have two political subdivision of a state with the same management authority over the same territory at the same time.
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Originally Posted by pvande55
This is probably throwing down some red meat. The stereotype is likely either the culdesac/shopping mall/office park or the established railroad suburb with good commuter rail and great schools. But of course there are many types, including the industrial and the corporate suburb. I once stated a mathematic rule bases on population and distance. But I believe the following are also indicators:
Sharing a border with large city.
Having a substantial (over 25%) of working population working in large city or over 25% of local workers living in large city.
Zoning out heavy industry or housing under $350K. Bonus points for having been sued over restrictions.
Having sports team with name of large city.
No local TV station, served by one in large city.
Some other rules of thumb?
How about starting over?
"sharing a border with large city" - you can have two cities adjacent each other. Is the smaller one always denigrated as a "suburb" simply because of population? An area within a city can also share a border with the city. Did you intend to include city periphery as a "suburb"?
"Having a substantial (over 25%) of working population working in large city or over 25% of local workers living in large city." - By that definition a city can be a suburb of itself. Is that what you intended?
"Zoning out heavy industry or housing under $350K. Bonus points for having been sued over restrictions." Well you would get sued for having a zoning threshold that excluded housing based on price. Why is getting sued over restrictions "worse" than getting sued for "zoning"? In case you haven't noticed cities have been mandating restrictions for decades in many party of the country as part of a development agreement with the developer. "Restrictions" occur within cities and any where there is new development and it has been that way for decades.
"Having sports team with name of large city." - Hmmm. By that definition a city can be a suburb of itself. Is that what you intended?
"No local TV station, served by one in large city." That's a really poor test.
The original post just exhibits the inanity of this categorization game. The reality is that "suburb" is any area that urbanophiles don't like. They can't explain it exactly other than if it has oppressive population or population density then it's "urban".
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