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I don't know prices in London when it comes to car owning -expensive probably-, but I pay the Navigo pass in Paris 32.5 euros per month. That's one week of travel card in the zone 1 of the Tube (33£). Or 75euros per month in Paris for people without a job/internship/apprentice (1/2 reimbursed automatically (mandatory) for them)... Which is two weeks of zone 1 for the Tube (66£).
Difference is, that 32.5 or 75euros payed per month gives you access to everything unlimited, even if it's 60 km away.
So yeah, I'm chocked by the price of the Tube...
London has discount scheme for the elderly, students, diabled, apprentices etc, and Transport for London only covers London itself, it is Network Rail and other Companies that provide the heavy rail services and Network Rail Cards etc.
Services outside of London are generally seperate and not part of any Oyster Card package, and the Government already subsidises many services outside of London indeed subidies amount to some £5 Billion per year. London itself is increasingly self sufficient in terms of many parts of it's transport funding.
Then again as the articles below point out, the true picture of fares is far more complex
Furthermore when you look at what Britain is currently investing in it's railways it's massive with High Speed 2 set to cost £55 Billion and then you have HS3 which the North is demanding is a further £7 billion, whilst Crossrail 2 is set to cost over £30 billion.
Whilst in terms of London the £15 Billion Crossrail will be completed next year, along with the £6.5 Billion Thameslink and the refurbishment of all tube lines costing over £5 Billion continues, then you have the billions invested in London Overground, Tramlink, DLR as well as the new rolling stock both delivered and planned. There has also been billions spent on major stations such as St Pancras, Kings Cross, Waterloo, London Bridge, Stratford etc with plans for mssive future plans for both Euston and Oak Common. Whilst the new Birmingham New Street station transformation has been amazing.
The UK is going through an unprecedented period of rail and transport infrastructure expansion, and this includes other systems such as local tram and light rail systems.
Even buses are becoming are increasingly hi-tech and eco friendly and there are also now looking at tram trains and other new technology.
You don't think that if Amtrak controlled the market on say Trenton to NYC or Allentown to Philly it would have more resources to be able to make longer distance routes faster?
In both these cases NJ transit and SEPTA have the lions share of the passengers.
NJT should take over the Trenton SEPTA line and have a route directly from Philly 30th to NY Penn with Trenton in the middle
NJT already comes into 30th on the AC line
Its SEPTA as the road block but this route would be better served by NJT
really NJT would probably be better to run the Harrisburg to NY Penn line as well and would help offset the issues with train congestion on the NE line (the rail between Philly and NYC is the busiest commuter rail corridor in the US)
NJT should take over the Trenton SEPTA line and have a route directly from Philly 30th to NY Penn with Trenton in the middle
NJT already comes into 30th on the AC line
Its SEPTA as the road block but this route would be better served by NJT
really NJT would probably be better to run the Harrisburg to NY Penn line as well and would help offset the issues with train congestion on the NE line (the rail between Philly and NYC is the busiest commuter rail corridor in the US)
NJT Rail Operations, Metro-North, Long Island Railroad and SEPTA Regional Rail basically need to do some measure of consolidation and to work towards standardization. NYC needs to follow Center City's cue and create through-running corridors through Manhattan. All of these systems should be operating like RER/S-Bahn type services where the commuter rail trunks become additional rapid transit lines in the urban core and with a reasonable joint fare system.
All of this takes funding, of course, and these next few years don't look promising.
The OP brings up an interesting point--has there been a drill down study of the US vis-a-vis cities in another developed country to try to get an apples to apples total ridership count?
London has invested heavily in public transport, all London Underground lines and stations have been refurbished over the last decade and new signaling installed, with S7 and S8 new rolling stock and the planned new Deep Level Driverless Tube train coming in to service in 2023.
However London Transport it much more than just the London Underground, with the £15 Billion Crossrail Elizabeth Line coming in to service in December 2018, the £6.5 Billion Thameslink being finished in 2018, and numerous other services have also has investment, such as London Overground (Orange Lines), London Docklands Railway (DLR) and the South London Tramlink, with expansion of the Underground currently taking place in relation to the £1.2 Billion Northern Line Extension.
Future Projects include the £3 Billion Bakerloo Line extension, Crossrail 2 which will cost £30 Billion and extensions to theOverground, DLR and Tramlink.
Whilst London currently has 2,500 Hybrid and Electric buses, with all 9,200 London Buses to be hybrid and electric by 2037, with 95% of London's population within 5 minutes of a Bus Stop with 19,000 bus stops in London and passengers 2.6 Billion passengers a year. Whilst River Bus Services have also been expanded.
As for 24 Hour Services, Nigh Buses run 24/7, whilst the 24 Hour Night Tube runs at weekends, along with some London Overground services and these will be joined in future by a 24 Hour DLR Service and 24 Hour Crossrail Service.
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Originally Posted by Transport for London
Largest electric bus fleet in Europe
London already boasts the largest electric bus fleet in Europe with more than 2,500 hybrid electric buses running across the Capital.
The addition of new fully electric buses on routes 46, 153 and 214 will bring the total number of electric buses in London to over 170.
This includes route 360, which will convert to fully electric buses later this year, and routes 70 and C1 are set to follow in spring 2018.
Just last week, the Mayor announced a new £86.1m programme to cut harmful emissions from London's existing bus fleet.
Cutting pollution
Around 5,000 buses - more than half of the fleet - are set to be upgraded to meet the latest ultra-low Euro VI emissions standard, cutting pollution by up to 95%.
The Mayor also set out in his draft Transport Strategy that by 2037 at the latest, all 9,200 buses across London will be zero emission.
The electric routes are part of a major transformation the Mayor has asked TfL to deliver to reduce emissions from London's bus fleet.
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