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Old 09-06-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: New York City
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A lot of communities in eastern Pennsylvania like this. Formerly, safe, walkable communities where long term residents aren't being forced out by high rents, but by high crime and rising property taxes.
Eastern PA? Pretty much every walkable community in Southeastern PA (with the exception of a few towns) are extremely desirable and booming with development.


The same can be said for most of Eastern PA due to its proximity to Philadelphia and New York. Western PA might be a different story.
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Lake Spivey, Georgia
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Isn't most of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia excluded, very "White"? Upper middle class Whites displacing working class Whites is still "gentrification", but it IS NOT "White-flight".
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Old 09-17-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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I'm not quite sure what the racial animus comes into play over gentrification. It's a real phenomena that, while disproportionately affecting minorities, does affect white people as well.
Gentrification is when the 60 year old white grandma and third gen Boston resident is forced out of the city she lived in all her life because 20 something year old startup workers from Iowa made the rent triple.
It's not just "some obscure term parroted by poc to make white people seem racist".
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Old 09-17-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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LOL....boy....you all ancestors really left white people with a fck up image. Don't blame POC for that....blame white antecedents who did do all those things for those reasons.
Who to blame for your inability to detect sarcasm?
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas via ATX
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It's called "white flight" (although to be fair it can involve flight from any sub-demographic) and has been going on since the 1960s.
The fact that one is nefariously called "white flight" and the other (when white people return) is also considered to be bad is just another example of how deeply, specifically and totally Leftists hate white people.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:15 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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I see this happening in a lot of smaller towns.

I live in a manufacturing town of ~50,000 in northeast TN. Natural population growth in the Kingsport-Bristol area is negative. The only reason we are holding steady to slight gains is through annexation of county lands, bringing those people into the city count, and some retirees moving in from outside the area.

The main retail drag through town was once middle class, with a mall and numerous other businesses. Today, that retail strip is dominated by cash for gold outfits, title/payday lenders, "buy here, pay here" car lots, dollar stores, low end service providers like Cricket Wireless and Acceptance Insurance, etc. It is all low end.

Much of the housing in the city proper is poorly maintained. Homes move slowly in the core city. Since 2010, home prices in most of the area have not even kept up with inflation. There is almost no new construction.
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:53 PM
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Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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poc?
Its the PC way to say "minority" or "non-white."
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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LOL....boy....you all ancestors really left white people with a fck up image. Don't blame POC for that....blame white antecedents who did do all those things for those reasons.
Moving?
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Old 09-19-2017, 02:28 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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Nearly every urban area is going through this. The problem is that people who can no longer afford the rents of what once was the lower-income area have no where else to go. This is creating sort of a "white flight" but in reverse, as more have to look to suburbs and exurbs to find more affordable housing costs.

The main cause of gentrification is house flippers. They buy cheap homes in the poorest neighborhoods, and redo them for a profit. The problem is the only people who can now afford the flipped homes are the ones who don't live in that part of town.
Gentrification can be avoided if the people moving into the neighborhood didn't build luxury units and only rented units at the same market rate as the locals.

One of the biggest causes of gentrification is higher-income people who want a more urban environment or be closer to work there are just simply no ""luxury"" urban areas in frankly any city in the US except NYC and maybe Philly. So people who do want higher amenity condos and can afford the price tag have to go wherever the developer puts it, which is usually where land is cheap.... in cheap neighborhoods.

Gentrification wouldn't be a big deal today if construction kept up with demand and people were still invested in building some urban environment in their cities (with the exception of a few that were doing that, like NYC) and there were higher income urban areas.

One of the other big causes of gentrification is in the higher income areas that these high income people could afford, but are low density and would like to live in them, can't because supply is too low. This is due to zoning regarding building setbacks, parking regulations, height limitations, single-use zoning, large parcels, etc. that restrict supply. So in the areas they can afford where they wouldn't gentrify, they can't get in.

So now in many places we are having the problem of too little density with no room for upwards development in many cities were land growth is not an option (think like SF) and so this raises rents beyond the roof.

The problem is is that there's too little supply in the nice areas of town. It's that simple.
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Old 09-19-2017, 04:01 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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A lot of communities in eastern Pennsylvania like this. Formerly, safe, walkable communities where long term residents aren't being forced out by high rents, but by high crime and rising property taxes.
I don't know if this is what's happening in this part of Pennsylvania, but what you describe is typical of areas hard-hit by deindustrialization. When the local factories, mines, mills, docks, or whatever, shut down, the cities they're in tend to go to seed. People move, retailers leave, buildings are abandoned and its mostly just the poor, old, and disabled who stay put. The younger, more educated , or more ambitious folks tend to get out. Populations fall, taxes rise, and many city services decline--including police--which leads to more street crime.
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