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Old 04-07-2023, 09:05 PM
 
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So it seems that the big boss would like to live within 15 minutes of their workplace if they can at all help it. Maybe the "15-minute city" isn't as far-fetched an idea as some make it out to be.
Is Jeff walking 15 minutes, or perhaps he's taking a helicopter ride if there's congestion?

I mean, if you have 12-figure wealth, you can have it all. Be as close to your work as you want, with the highest possible quality of life and standard of housing and easily go anywhere else whenever you want to. But most people don't, so they have to compromise. And thanks to the speed of the car, they have more options.
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Old 04-08-2023, 12:50 PM
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Though if you recall that study William H. Whyte made of companies that decamped from New York City to its suburbs in the 1950s and 1960s, it appears that one major reason companies relocate headquarters is to be closer to where their CEOs live — the only thing that consistently correlated with the relocation was that the CEO's commute got shorter in each and every case.

You may recall all the hoopla over Amazon HQ2. In the end, the company chose two East Coast cities where Jeff Bezos already owned residences. One of those two (New York) said "No thanks."

So it seems that the big boss would like to live within 15 minutes of their workplace if they can at all help it. Maybe the "15-minute city" isn't as far-fetched an idea as some make it out to be.
I have seen the CEO driving headquarters location multiple times in my career. Just last year I had a client move from the Hudson Yards in Manhattan out to Morris County, NJ. This location is less than a 10 minute drive for the CEO and much of upper management. The original proposal was Jersey City until somebody asked 'Why Jersey City, nobody lives near Jersey City?'.

However, for manufacturing and warehousing, space, expansion space and transportation will always be limited in a 15 minute city. This is one of the fallacies of the 15 minute city, job location and getting to the job.
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Old 04-08-2023, 10:05 PM
 
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I can, and it happens all the time. A company moves in order to expand their operation, and they look for a lower cost area, which normally means outside of the big cities. They also may move in order to have a better business environment with less red-tape and hassles from the local government. This is why Amazon has moved many of their jobs from Seattle to Bellevue, WA, Hewlett Packard is moving its corporate headquarters from San Jose to near but outside Houston, Elon Musk moved to Texas, Charles Schwab recently moved to Westlake, Texas. . .I'm seeing a trend here.
Sometimes a city just does not have enough open space to accommodate a larger faculty(esp. manufacturing). Also traffic and other infrastructure play a role here.
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Old 04-09-2023, 07:38 AM
 
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Sometimes a city just does not have enough open space to accommodate a larger faculty(esp. manufacturing). Also traffic and other infrastructure play a role here.
Although not all types of facilities can be built as infill in existing cities, larger facilities can still be co-located within or close to residential areas as growing cities expand their footprint, with the exceptions of dirty industries and those with safety issues. These already exist in many cities, including older areas of sunbelt cities like Houston. The creation of "campus" environments (think Apple, Exxon, and most college campuses) purposely built to be isolated from the rest of the city/world may serve the individual institutions, but hurt the community as a whole. When Exxon wanted to consolidate its Houston operations, was it really necessary to relocate to a 365 acre campus 25 miles from downtown, carved out of the woods, in a non-centralized location, with no access to public transportation for its 10,000 employees?
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Old 04-09-2023, 01:37 PM
 
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What are they and how do they work?
The idea behind the concept is to build cities in such a way that most daily necessities and services are located within a 15-minute walk or bike ride. That way everyone would have easy access to shops, schools, doctors, the gym, parks, restaurants and cultural institutions.
From Paris to Shanghai: more and more cities are reconstructing.
There are already 16 cities worldwide that have implemented the 15-minute city concept or similar ideas, or are working on doing so. Another 50 Chinese cities are also looking to implement the idea.

Do you think such concept could be possible here in the US?

https://amp.dw.com/en/15-minute-citi...ork/a-64907776
15 minute cities are designed to control and lock down the population at the governments whim. We don’t need that garbage in the United States. It’s all about taking away your freedom and making you wards of the State. Once they control you they own you.
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Old 04-09-2023, 01:45 PM
 
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Although not all types of facilities can be built as infill in existing cities, larger facilities can still be co-located within or close to residential areas as growing cities expand their footprint, with the exceptions of dirty industries and those with safety issues. These already exist in many cities, including older areas of sunbelt cities like Houston. The creation of "campus" environments (think Apple, Exxon, and most college campuses) purposely built to be isolated from the rest of the city/world may serve the individual institutions, but hurt the community as a whole. When Exxon wanted to consolidate its Houston operations, was it really necessary to relocate to a 365 acre campus 25 miles from downtown, carved out of the woods, in a non-centralized location, with no access to public transportation for its 10,000 employees?
At the time no, but it was desired. The idea was to keep your employees in one place for a long time. They wouldn't go out four lunch but would use the company provided cafeteria and other services. The idea is that they would be more productive if they never left the office(i.e. This is the era before remote work was possible). With the invention of the car public transit was no longer a requirement for business. You could be decentralized or operate at whatever time was required.

Downtown rents(as well as land) can be expensive and some activities such as R/D don't go well in neighborhoods.

Many large cities like Chicago, New York, and San Francisco are unable to expand their foot print. They are hemmed in by other cities\burbs, or natural barriers(like oceans). You could do a Detroit and tear down an entire neighborhood(Poletown) for a factory or large office buildings but that was in the end a bad idea for Detroit as it created fewer jobs than the number of people displaced(and over time thanks to automation fewer and fewer of said jobs were left).

College campuses are not isolated from cities. It is just that some were associated with small towns and there are plenty of colleges in Major Cities or burbs.

I live in a city and would not want 10,000 additional people coming into my neighborhood taking up the parking, nor is the public transit in my area capable of handling that many people. While employment is good that many people in that little amount of space would drive up local rents and housing prices like crazy. With a car they can live further away and still have a reasonable commute but that requires parking....which increases the overall foot print. With no parking and needing public transit a much larger percentage would choose to live closer to their workplace to keep a reasonable commute by transit and they could out bid the locals for housing.

To put things in perspective 10,000 people would double to almost double the weekday average daily ridership of the the most used CTA EL stations on the system. It would be very disruptive to say the least.
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Old 04-09-2023, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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15 minute cities are designed to control and lock down the population at the governments whim. We don’t need that garbage in the United States. It’s all about taking away your freedom and making you wards of the State. Once they control you they own you.
Total BS. It began as an idea about ways to maximize walking and minimize driving in cities, not as some plot for state control of everyone's lives.
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Old 04-10-2023, 07:10 AM
 
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Total BS. It began as an idea about ways to maximize walking and minimize driving in cities, not as some plot for state control of everyone's lives.
That’s what the gullible believe. That’s why the communist party in China likes it so much. Keep going down that rabbit hole if you must.
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Old 04-10-2023, 12:43 PM
 
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I don't recall the US being a communist country before cars took over the cities. Seems like those cities, factories, and stores all found a way to service millions of people without cars. Maybe its capitalism that is really a plot: making Americans go into debt by requiring ownership of cars in order to live. Once you're in debt they own you, and once they own you they control you.

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Old 04-10-2023, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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That’s what the gullible believe. That’s why the communist party in China likes it so much. Keep going down that rabbit hole if you must.
The Chinese Communist Party has said nothing at all about "15-minute cities."

A French university professor first coined the term.

IDK who's gullible here, but it's not me — I've done the reading on the subject. Cite your sources, please.
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