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Old 04-05-2010, 03:57 PM
 
Location: OUTTA SIGHT!
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I just saw this on The History Channel.

YouTube - The Crumbling of America
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Throughout world history, great civilizations have survived and extended their rule through dependence on great infrastructures. Rome had its roads and aqueducts. The Mayans had their pyramids and palaces. But what happens when society neglects its infrastructure? Right now, the U.S. infrastructure is collapsing and it impacts every single person in this country. In the first half of the 20th century, our bridges, highways, tunnels, dams, levees, ports, water and gas pipelines were built during the greatest age of construction the world had ever seen. But now these steel and concrete achievements are deteriorating. More than 70,000 of our nation's bridges are rated structurally deficient. Massive grid failures have left millions in the dark. 25,000 miles of commercial navigable waterways and locks have exceeded their 50-year design life.....(cut)

Frightening.
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:56 PM
 
Location: moving again
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Is that really a question? Seriously?
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:58 PM
 
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yes, because public investment=socialism
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Old 04-05-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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Go to Michigan, you will get your answer.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Go to Michigan, you will get your answer.
Oh slither back to OH. Most of MI is in decent shape. Detroit is rough, but so are the big cities in OH, so you could go there as well.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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I don't know how you can sit there and say "most of Michigan" is in decent shape. I can go from Ohio and Indiana and enter Michigan and the roads get terrible. Also, with Michigan's great economy, they have cut back on plenty of road and bridge projects. Meanwhile, Ohio is beefing up their's. Just look at the $400 million dollar Inner Belt Bridge project in Cleveland. If you go back to the thread "Michigan's Roads Rated Second Worst in the Nation", you will see I said people have said you can fall asleep on the Turnpike. That was mentioned by one of my friends from Flint who now lives in Cincinnati. Not to mention the plenty of people from Michigan that move down here and mention quite often how smooth the roads are.

I blew a tire in Livonia, and a rental had to get an allignment after Lansing. The only area that was "decent" was Grand Rapids. This is not an Ohio vs Michigan thing. Its the truth. The infrastructure in Ohio is a lot better than Michigan. I moved here from Philly, and when I went to Michigan is was suprised at just how bad the cities and the roads were. Ohio is constitantly rated as one of the best in the nation for roads. Thats good for a northern state. Meanwhile Michigan is mainly last. Ohio's cities are about average, and in some cases better than average.

I also notice, Ohioans don't even care about Michigan until Ohio State/Michigan game. And that is more around Columbus and Newark. In SW Ohio they have University of Cincinnati, Xavier, University of Dayton, and Wright State. I just mentioned Michigan because they have serious problems with their infrastucture that need addressed. And they keep cutting back funding up there. These problems can't be sugarcoated anymore.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan
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yeah Michigan roads are terrible. Fixing potholes = Throwing gunk in the hole then moving onto the next one while the road repair guys rely on the auto drivers to smash down the gunk while its hot and sticky. All that does is just knock it out of the hole and you have those little black rock chunks spread all over the road and not in the hole. A typical Michgian pot hole repair job last 2 days after it's fixed. Then it's needed to be fixed again.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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And both of you are trying to pin the crappy roads in the Detroit area on the entire state. Get out of the big cities once in a while and you'll see that not all of the state is as crappy as you think it is.

The thread about the Michigan having the second worse roads was based on a poll of truck drivers. Most of whom would be traveling between the large cities and NOT 90% of the rest of the state. If all you do is travel the Interstates between Detroit/Flint/Lansing/Saginaw then that is for sure the impression you will have.

And where do you get the impression I care about Ohio? Most people here don't care about Ohio either, so I fail to see what that has to do with anything.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Blue Ash, Ohio (Cincinnati)
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And both of you are trying to pin the crappy roads in the Detroit area on the entire state. Get out of the big cities once in a while and you'll see that not all of the state is as crappy as you think it is.

The thread about the Michigan having the second worse roads was based on a poll of truck drivers. Most of whom would be traveling between the large cities and NOT 90% of the rest of the state. If all you do is travel the Interstates between Detroit/Flint/Lansing/Saginaw then that is for sure the impression you will have.

And where do you get the impression I care about Ohio? Most people here don't care about Ohio either, so I fail to see what that has to do with anything.
Why are you turning this into an arguement? Someone is a little insecure and paranoid. I mentioned the Ohio/Michigan because by the tone of your first post you talked about Ohio. Seeming like you were going to turn it into and Ohio vs Michigan thing. By the amount of people moving down here from Michigan, I would say they are paying attention at least lol.

You can sit there and say what you want, but I never narrowed it down to JUST the Detroit area. I mentioned Lansing and Flint areas, and the other areas of the state were terrible as well. If you go back and READ my post, I mentioned that the only decent area in Michigan was Grand Rapids.

How is another Michigander trying to "pin" the problems of Detroit on the rest of Michigan? The roads are bad in A LOT of the state, thats how it is.

Sugarcoating how bad the problems are up there (roads/infrastructure), as well as this country, are not going to get us anywhere. If you want to continue this "debate", I have no problem with it, but send it via PM so as to not ruin the thread. Its quite easy to see, let alone feel how bad the roads are in Michigan.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Massive grid failures have left millions in the dark.
It always seemed terribly ironic to me that at those times when we need them the most (extreme heat or extreme cold), the "grid" always fails leaving hundreds, thousands sometimes even MILLIONS without electricity.

You would think that by now we would have figured out a way to prevent this from happening.

20yrsinBranson
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