Should we move to Provo? (Salt Lake City: living, law, ticket)

[Jane1392832]

Why denigrate Provo??? Provo is a great place to go to college and/or raise a family. Goldman Sachs loves BYU grads and Forbes also loves Provo, it rated its metropolitan area one of the top 10 places to raise a family in the nation.

Still, I agree with other posters. Turn down the job, don't relocate to Utah.

[SLCPUNK]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I'm LDS and you couldn't pay me enough to live in Provo.

Why is that?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by SLCPUNK

Why is that?

I like diversity, for one thing. I'm also quite a bit more socially liberal than most Mormons I know. Honestly, it would drive me stark raving mad to be surrounded by so many people I didn't feel as if I could truly relate to.

[SLCPUNK]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I like diversity, for one thing. I'm also quite a bit more socially liberal than most Mormons I know. Honestly, it would drive me stark raving mad to be surrounded by so many people I didn't feel as if I could truly relate to.

If you don't mind me asking, in what regards are you more liberal on than your LDS counterparts? Or perhaps what part of their conservative nature in Provo would drive you batty?

Just curious.

This reminds me of something I used to see in SLC that I thought was odd. More than once, while dining out, I'd see people turn their empty wine glasses upside down at the table. I've never seen this anywhere but Utah and figured it had to be a Mormon thing. I felt that it was more of an outward statement than anything. Was this behavior born from worrying about adhering to social norms inside the LDS community? Wouldn't want anybody to see you even alluding to the notion of a glass of wine?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by SLCPUNK

If you don't mind me asking, in what regards are you more liberal on than your LDS counterparts?

Oh boy! Where do I start? For one thing, I vote Democratic as often as I vote Republican. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable having an Obama sign outside my house in Provo. I'm just more liberal on a lot of social issues, such as same-sex marriage. I don't drink, but I would love a glass of wine occasionally. I believe that God created our universe, but that doesn't mean I see science as "the enemy." That sort of stuff.

This reminds me of something I used to see in SLC that I thought was odd. More than once, while dining out, I'd see people turn their empty wine glasses upside down at the table. I've never seen this anywhere but Utah and figured it had to be a Mormon thing. I felt that it was more of an outward statement than anything. Was this behavior born from worrying about adhering to social norms inside the LDS community? Wouldn't want anybody to see you even alluding to the notion of a glass of wine?

That's really interesting. I suppose it is a Mormon thing, if you say you've never seen it anywhere other than Utah. I've actually never given it any thought. I actually have turned a coffee cup upside down in a restaurant. I do this because when a waiter comes to the table, he often pours a cup of coffee for everyone before you even notice that's what he's doing. I see no point in wasting either food or drink, so I figure an upside down cup will indicate that to him if I'm not paying attention when he steps up to the table.

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by SLCPUNK

This reminds me of something I used to see in SLC that I thought was odd. More than once, while dining out, I'd see people turn their empty wine glasses upside down at the table. I've never seen this anywhere but Utah and figured it had to be a Mormon thing. I felt that it was more of an outward statement than anything. Was this behavior born from worrying about adhering to social norms inside the LDS community? Wouldn't want anybody to see you even alluding to the notion of a glass of wine?

weird. i have never seen it, or have not seen it often enough to have noticed it. you're the first person i've ever heard mention it and i grew up in slc and utah county.

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Oh boy! Where do I start? For one thing, I vote Democratic as often as I vote Republican. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable having an Obama sign outside my house in Provo. I'm just more liberal on a lot of social issues, such as same-sex marriage. I don't drink, but I would love a glass of wine occasionally. I believe that God created our universe, but that doesn't mean I see science as "the enemy." That sort of stuff.

for the record though, i see obama stickers and signs all over the place. not so much in the rural areas like where i live in salem, but up in provo and orem i see them constantly. farther north toward slc it is probably even more prevalent except for in the weird stepford-type housing develpments in lehi and similar places.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by stycotl

for the record though, i see obama stickers and signs all over the place. not so much in the rural areas like where i live in salem, but up in provo and orem i see them constantly. farther north toward slc it is probably even more prevalent except for in the weird stepford-type housing develpments in lehi and similar places.

Really? I'm pleasantly surprised.

[vandykeparks]

I'm a non-Utah resident and an atheist. But I find the existence of places like Provo to be incredibly refreshing. There are bars, tattoo parlors, strip clubs, and so forth in every square inch of every other city in this country. If you want to wear your pants down by your ankles, blast horrible 'trap music' from your car, or get plastered every Fri & Sat, you will find yourself in like-minded company in 99.99999% of the country. God forbid that one or two modestly sized cities hiding in between a couple mountain ranges assert a particularly modest and restrained style of living. Frankly, I wish there were more such places. Our national cult of Tolerance/Diversity/Open-mindedness ironically means leveling the entire country down to one tiresome and extensive adolescent rebellion. Living in "Society" should mean that we each make a few compromises to make life more pleasant for our fellow men living around us. But I suppose I'm in the minority when I suggest that a gesture of good will to fellow community members go before personal concerns for comfort, self-gratification and an adolescent desire to 'express ourselves' . Sorry if this was a bit off topic

[SouthernBelleInUtah]

Vandy, I am sooo with you on this!

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[chicagurl]

I used to work in a law firm in Salt Lake City. One day, there were about 5 people milling around my desk and, somehow, the subject of "Provo" came up. One attorney, who went to BYU, had served a mission and was a very, very strong, committed Mormon said, "No way I'd ever live in Provo, too many Mormons there." I nearly fell off my chair - worse, everyone agreed with him! I was left with my mouth hanging open as they walked off, talking about how "Mormony" Provo was and how uncomfortable they felt there.