Utah No. 1 State for Depression... (showing, health, kids)

[kaytidid]

Although I don't usually agree with Catrinac posts many times, I do know that my sister suffers from depression and Utah was NOT GOOD for her at all. She has since moved to Florida and the sun and warmth has done her very well. It would never ever behoove her to move back to Utah. Not. At. All.

Generally, happiness is within, however in people with depression, all bets are off. They can't pull that happiness from within, no matter how hard they want to.

Is that to say that anyone with depression won't be happy here? Of course not, but in her case, it was almost a matter of life and death living here.

[Chickrae]

Catrinac I know exactly what the forums are for. I myself am thinking of a move and if you notice I have several posts in Texas and Utah St George area deciding which place I will be relocating too. I had nothing but happiness when I lived in Northern Utah but again I am happy no matter what state I am in because happiness does come from within....and that is MY opinion. And as you said each is entitled to their opinions...so just leave it at that and have a nice day

[rshu1960]

hey guys,
how is ogden as a place to live? i live in seattle. want to move. it is getting way to overcrowded and expensive. and the wife has a gambling problem. there are no casinos in utah, right? any advice?

[DesertMountainsDesert]

No casinos in Utah is correct.

I'm from Colorado and I've lived in Moab and Green River (SE Utah) for a combined total of 9 years. I'm moving back to Colorado, but I love it here and will return after a short time (6 months to a year). I love Utah, I'm not Mormon and have never felt that was a problem (can't say what the Mormons felt ). I don't know about the Salt Lake region, I go there fairly often and I'm not sure I'd like to live there, but that's because I don't like cities. For a city, it's not bad, very clean and orderly. But I've heard bad things about the weather and inversions. And people like to forget that it's on a HUGE fault line (Wasatch), which is over due for its 300 year quake (600 years and counting), and it'll be a BIG one.

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by rshu1960

hey guys,
how is ogden as a place to live? i live in seattle. want to move. it is getting way to overcrowded and expensive. and the wife has a gambling problem. there are no casinos in utah, right? any advice?

The casinos in Wendover, NV market heavily to the Salt Lake market. Its a 120 miles west. So be careful, or you might end up with a high gas bill on top of the gambling.

[Chickrae]

Originally Posted by rshu1960

hey guys,
how is ogden as a place to live? i live in seattle. want to move. it is getting way to overcrowded and expensive. and the wife has a gambling problem. there are no casinos in utah, right? any advice?

As stated by Coolcats, Wendover is west of Salt Lake and there is gambling there. As far as Ogden. Ogden has it's good and bad areas. If you choose Ogden I would go to the North Ogden area. If you don't have to live in Ogden there are several nice cities south of there that are a nice size and not too crowded. I lived in Layton for 16 years and loved it and that is south of Ogden. There is also Syracuse and West Point that are more West and are growing nicely. My daughter lives in Clearfield which is just north of Layton and South of Ogden and she likes it, however not much shopping there. You would go to Layton for the mall, movies, more restaurants etc. The closer to Salt Lake you get the more expensive it becomes also. Kaysville and Bountiful are beautiful and desirable areas however they are more expensive. I don't know much about the Roy area which is just south of Ogden. But again if you want Ogden go to the north or South Ogden. The downtown area and surrounding areas by there, I personally wouldnt live in, but maybe you would like it not sure. I guess it depends where your job is.

[Chickrae]

Originally Posted by DesertMountainsDesert

No casinos in Utah is correct.

I'm from Colorado and I've lived in Moab and Green River (SE Utah) for a combined total of 9 years. I'm moving back to Colorado, but I love it here and will return after a short time (6 months to a year). I love Utah, I'm not Mormon and have never felt that was a problem (can't say what the Mormons felt ). I don't know about the Salt Lake region, I go there fairly often and I'm not sure I'd like to live there, but that's because I don't like cities. For a city, it's not bad, very clean and orderly. But I've heard bad things about the weather and inversions. And people like to forget that it's on a HUGE fault line (Wasatch), which is over due for its 300 year quake (600 years and counting), and it'll be a BIG one.

Moab is gorgeous....I envy you living there. Colorado is one of my favorites though too as I was born in the Denver area. The mountains are gorgeous on the Colorado side too. I hope they don't have the big quake my kids still live by the fault line.

[stycotl]

(can't say what the Mormons felt ).

that was good. earned you a rep point.

in all honesty, i am not sure when i am dealing with people that i don't know personally if they are mormon or not. certainly there are some clues that can give it away, like the chain-smokers (most likely not mormon, but you never know for sure), etc.

i have met some stupid mormons, the kind that catrinac complains about that can't seem to get it in their head that we're all sinners, all on the same plane of deficiency. but i have met the same everywhere i have gone in my life. i have met born-agains that literally spit in my face just because of the beliefs that i have. i have talked with atheists that rolled their eyes and dismissed me as a raving lunatic because i believe in anything. i have talked with sikhs that criticized me for my beliefs in the holy bible, a book they see as mishmashed and confused.

i have associated with those of many backgrounds, and i can tell you with 100% confidence that there is not a group of them out there that has never been embarrassed by its ignorant, fanatic members. mormons are no different in that respect, and utah cannot claim some sort of stupid-people-free-zone. however, it can't claim a monopoly on stupid people either.

what i see here, i can understand and even empathize with. but i can't support the ideas being expressed. i see a few people with some bad experiences, some of them real, some of them completely fabricated in their own minds, and a whole lot of emotional responses that have no solid basis in reality or 'normal' utah experience.

on the same token, those that claim that there are no stupid people, no racist people, no selfrighteous people in utah, are deluded, and are likewise reacting emotionally (or so detached from emotion that they cannot comprehend reality), and defending the state to the point of trying to argue that it is already one step away from being twinkled up into heaven.

life experience has taught me that the norm generally falls in the middle somewhere. there are ignorant people here too, and yes, some of them are prominent members of their communities. but the majority of us are pretty tolerant, pretty reasonable, pretty friendly people.

aaron out.

[ShouldIMoveOrStayPut...?]

The reading on this subject is actually quite intriguing, if you type "Utah And Depression" into Google search the articles seem (at least from my viewpoint) to have a common thread.

It seems the high depression rate is more prevalent among LDS, and further sub-categorized to women due to the pressures of a perfect and pre-planned life they can be expected to lead....from being a cheeleader to missionary to mother of five, not turning away any church demands, bringing meals to neighbors in need, all with a smile and constant pleasant demeanor, as one article states...

And sometimes the husbands do not live up to being the model partner and help mate....that surely can be a recipe for depression.

People conducting the research seem to feel there is underfunding in the state from schools and education to lack of mental health professionals combined with an inability of many to be able to afford help even when available.

Some LDS viewpoints suggest that Utah is more likely prosperous and ambitious (Beehive State coined for residents that have the work ethic and ambition of worker bees) and as such can more readily afford anti-depressants. The use of anti-depressants being the statistical benchmark, gives the state a false reading for depressed people.

Other states have less usage of anti-depressants and a higher suicide rate, which would favor some of the LDS viewpoints....

Does one theory hold salt over the other? Is there too heavy a burden placed on residents to be overly friendly and helpful at too great a sacrifice of their own needs combined with the inability to express a full range of emotions...?

[lolagranola]

Does one theory hold salt over the other? Is there too heavy a burden placed on residents to be overly friendly and helpful at too great a sacrifice of their own needs combined with the inability to express a full range of emotions...?

Just thought I'd add my own personal theory here...

I suspect that the lack of "vices" such as alcohol, smoking, drugs, ect is also a factor...not that I'm recommending these...but if using any of those are not an option, that leaves... anti-Ds or choc cake??

Also, the big families...not neccesarily the kids, but the big extended family of brothers and sisters, aunts, cousins, seen on a frequent basis may act as a support net to encourage someone who is showing signs of depression to go to the doctor.