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Old 05-04-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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I did some call center work in my younger days and the majority of our entry level managers were return missionaries pipe lined in directly from the department managers stake. I believe he was a stake president? I think he genuinely thought he was making the best decision for the organization and it didn't even occur to him the impact or message it sent to those on the floor trying to work up from within.

That's my particular experience of what I believe you are referring to.

My others would be more in-direct. Multi-level marketing gets a lot of traction here and I think that is due to those relationships mentioned. The DoTerras, USANAs, berry juice, etc. etc.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I did some call center work in my younger days and the majority of our entry level managers were return missionaries pipe lined in directly from the department managers stake. I believe he was a stake president? I think he genuinely thought he was making the best decision for the organization and it didn't even occur to him the impact or message it sent to those on the floor trying to work up from within.
Sad, but probably true.
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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Sad, but probably true.
It is very True Katz. It always ends up as a Business Decision, not really a philanthropic one!
When we expanded from our California office into the Utah area, we actually made sure we were in the close proximity of Provo BYU.

Just so we could put the students to work part-time. And we had no trouble looking for part-time workers.
We did bring high-end echelon over from California (too expensive to find local workers and train them), but the main reason was to actually provide a workplace for students looking for side income. Worked very well.

It was a wholly owned private company and thus were able to do whatever we liked.
No problems with "racial" quotas either. BYU is not an all-white school!

So yes, favouritism does exist, like it or not.
As always, you do not like it, harsh to say "too bad"
We never hired people with two left hands!
Sadly, plenty of those characters too!

Same with being open on Sundays for some business,
You do not like it, do not do business with them!

Speaking about "Business Decisions" ...
About 9 years later, I was given the assignment to open up a Mexican Division and thus send local work down south,
I really did not like to do that but if the order comes from the top end what do you do?
About two years later, we gave up, and brought all the work back. Too much offall and scrap ...
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Evanston & Lake Forest, Illinois
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This article summarizes the exceptionalism of Utah:

Bloomberg: How Utah Keeps the American Dream Alive
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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This article summarizes the exceptionalism of Utah:

Bloomberg: How Utah Keeps the American Dream Alive
Sadly, you have to sign up to read it.
I have stopped signing up with most "services".
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Hmmm, having high social capital is generally seen as positive not negative.
Unless you have been thrown out of the Mormon church, or just don't like Mormons for other reasons.
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Evanston & Lake Forest, Illinois
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Sadly, you have to sign up to read it.
I have stopped signing up with most "services".
I am sorry about that. It also appears that the link is dead when you go to the secure version. Unfortunately, Bloomberg now has a paywall. The Deseret News has a small blurb on the article: Does Utah Keep the American Dream alive?.

The Deseret News captures the gist of it. Essentially, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its culture, and its institutions play an enormous role in promoting "social capital" and economic mobility. The parallel welfare system alleviates the burden on the state. Ridiculously cheap educational opportunities for Latter-day Saints, often less expensive than state-sponsored programs, provide affordable access to education for a large segment of the population that would otherwise struggle to afford it. The cohesive community promotes mutual trust and cooperation that is absent in the rest of the United States. That is social capital, and it has outstanding benefits.
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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Just curious, what are the ridiculously cheap educational opportunities afforded to the LDS? I didn't realize they had separate options.
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Old 05-08-2018, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Evanston & Lake Forest, Illinois
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Just curious, what are the ridiculously cheap educational opportunities afforded to the LDS? I didn't realize they had separate options.
The LDS Church operates the Church Educational System (CES) which includes three universities, one 2-year college, and an accredited online 4-year college program.

Brigham Young University-Provo: "Current tuition [and general fees] for LDS undergraduate students is $2,730 and will increase $80 to $2,810 per semester. Non-LDS undergraduate students' current tuition cost is $5,460 and will increase to $5,620."-The Daily Universe

BYUPathway: "The current cost of the program to students is $65 per credit in the United States; students can earn a bachelor's degree in 120 hours for $7,800."

Brigham Young University-Idaho: "LDS = $2,009/semester and non-LDS = $4,018/semester"

Contrast those with these public universities in Utah:

University of Utah: "Annual Resident Tuition & Fees: $7,956 & Annual Non-Resident Tuition & Fees: $25,198"

Utah State University: "Annual Resident Tuition & Fees: Logan, $7,424; Eastern, $3,896; and Regional, $7,068."

CES is also better equipped to accommodate older students, married students, and students with children, for obvious reasons.
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Old 05-08-2018, 04:21 PM
 
Location: SLC
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Appreciate it but Utah and LDS church are not synonyms. And, sometimes the leg up for the LDS comes at the cost of press down on others. And, Church's visible and invisible large political hand does turn a lot of non-LDS citizens (and perhaps some LDS members) of the state off. This is not to suggest that everything Church does is negative, but the uncritical view of it is a definitely turn off.

Your response would be fine if the title of the thread were "LDS church has the highest social capital in the USA!" But - to the extent that the title and the OP's point was "Utah has the highest social capital in the USA!" - converting it into LDS church contributions is a questionable leap in logic.
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