Non-mormon family looking to relocate to Lehi (Sandy, South Jordan: fit in, neighborhood)

[DP525]

Again, thank you all for your replies. I detect a pattern emerging: the non-LDS seem to think there is a definite problem as far as how LDS children treat non-LDS children. The LDS don't seem to think there is an issue. Some of you didn't identify yourself or whether you have had children in Utah or grew up in Utah.

[fllover]

I'm not from utah nor am I LDS, but i can vouch for what the other non-LDS people are saying. We live in NV where a large part of the population is LDS and I unfortunately work for an LDS company and they do treat non-LDS people differently (different rules, for different people). My coworkers have gone to extreme measures to convert me and they do act differently since I let them know I was not interested. I see how they speak of their children and the LDS/Non-LDS school issues, it's not something I would ever teach my child. They also seem to belive the reason there are black people is because God was angry at Cain for killing Abel and so he was punished by being turned "dark". Again, it is a personal choice and I'm sure you can take the good and the bad and make an informed decision based on that.

[Elder_Shawn]

Originally Posted by Vegas Grl

They also seem to belive the reason there are black people is because God was angry at Cain for killing Abel and so he was punished by being turned "dark". Again, it is a personal choice and I'm sure you can take the good and the bad and make an informed decision based on that.

Here's an except from Wikipedia concerning Cain:

Early Syriac Christianity interpreted the mark as a permanent change in skin colour, i.e. that Cain was turned Black. This re-emerged amongst Protestant groups, and the curse was often used by them in some attempts to justify racism of one form or another, such as the slave trade, banning interracial marriage, and apartheid. These views have since been disowned by most Protestant groups, many now pointing to the tale of Snow-white Miriam as a counter argument, although Christian Identity groups tend to support the interpretation though swapping Blackness being the curse for Jewishness. It is significant to note that these interpretations were not, and are not, recognised by the Mar Thoma groups, Orthodox Christianity, Roman Catholicism, or Coptic Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain

[fllover]

Elder Shawn,

I understand the reasoning for your post and i was not trying to bash yor religion but the information I posted about Cain was actually told to me by a LDS person.

[Lehiinfo]

It is to bad that kids are treating other kids like that. I for one have asked my daughter serveral times if she has ever treated anyone less then an equal because they don't belong to the church, she says she hasn't but that some kids are not nice to some of the non-members. This saddens me quite a lot because it only take one or two to spoil the bunch.

What I can tell you is that the President of our church has come out and condemed any such action.

Quote "Why do any of us have to be so mean and unkind to others? Why can't all of us reach out in friendship to everyone about us? Why is there so much bitterness and animosity? It is not a part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
End Quote.

I think for the most part it is only a few that are treating others like this (which by no means makes it right) but I will tell you me personally if my daughter or son ever treated anyone with any less respect then what I would expect for myself they would soon find themselves over my knee.

There is a new Lehi community board going up here in lehi but not quite ready but should be up and running by mid July. removed

[DP525]

Lehiinfo,

Thank you for your post. I have a feeling you are probably right on. I have never known a member of the LDS church to be anything other than kind. And from what I have been able to gather through various sources it does seem like a spotty issue and not necessarily wide spread. But I will say this also. This is an issue that is well known even outside of Utah. If Utah is to continue to attrack businesses such as the IM Flash fab (the single largest private business investment in Utah history) and people to work there, old habits need to change. I can personally say that within my business, these rumors of the LDS / non-LDS issues have kept many individuals from relocating there. It is a shame.

[Gooseypalooza]

Hi Lehiinfo,
I grew up close to Lehi, and yes, I am LDS. However, you may be surprised when I tell you that I disagree with most of the LDS people on this website. I do believe that you will have difficulty living in a highly active LDS area, which most of Lehi is. I don't think LDS people understand or know how they effect many non-member people, but I believe you will feel some discrimination. However, if you would possibly consider living in SLC and commuting to Lehi, I think you would find it satisfactory. I am not too familiar with SLC and the less populated LDS areas, but SLC does have a large non-LDS population. I know that many people in the Park City are non-LDS. (That would be too long of a commute for you). If you can find a less populated LDS area, I think you will be able to ignore most of the bad behavior you will see from LDS people meaning well. Your other option would be to join the LDS church LOL.

[huntman58]

I am a Christian and lived in Idaho my kids never said any thing about being treated this way. The only thing I can say about it going to school in calif I was treated like that at school and in boy scouts by the Mormons. I can say this I would not live in a sub that was almost all any one religion as the same thing can and I bet has happened in other places. I do know that it is like saying north Idaho is nothing but skin heads and that kind. In fact I know some that will not go to Idaho as they feel the whole state is like the skin heads and it is not. Now it dose have some problems with its laws and or lack of enforcement the way the are written. It is a good old boy setting and that is what I have heard about Utah that makes me also wonder but that is it
I do know in Idaho I was let go one a job because I would not work over time for free doing Mormon church wok . heck I try never to work over time any way but to have it forced on you when it is some thing you do not believe is wrong no matter who or what it is!

[noniesgirl]

I am sadden that so many people are treated poorly by members of the L.D.S. church. I am a member and I do not discriminate against anyone. Be it for a different religion, ethnic background, handicap, etc. and have raised my children to be the same way. This is how my parents raised me. I run a child care center in my home and have/have had, children of different religions, different or mixed ethnic backgrounds and children with special needs (some of them were severe) and I love every one of these children the same, as if they were my own. I do know that there are some L.D.S. people that think they are high and mighty but I beg you to not think we all are that way. I have many friends who are not members, I do not try and convert them. I do not force my religion and beliefs on others. If they have questions, I answer them and leave it at that. I feel so bad that people, especially children, are being treated so badly. However, from my brothers experience in Lehi, if you do move to Utah, stear clear of there. For some reason a lot of people there think they are much, much better than even some of the members. My brother currently lives in Woodland Hills, Utah and everyone there are so kind. When I have visited him everyone I saw would wave, they didn't even know who I was.
Well, I have gone on long enough. I am truly sorry for those that have been offended by members of the L.D.S. church, that is not what we are taught at church. We are taught to be Christ-like and help anyone in need and love all people. I know many people aren't aware, but when there is a natural or other disaster in the world, the L.D.S. church sends food, clothing, anything that is needed and it is sent within hours of the "disaster". We don't stand there and ask the religion of those in need, we help everyone. And we don't puff ourselves up and show off and make a big deal of what we do to help, the L.D.S. church helps quickly and quietly.
I do hope that where ever you settle, that you will find that there are many, many L.D.S. people that are kind and loving.

[pinkpalace]

From what I've seen (and experienced), the LDS/non-LDS thing is more of a problem for middle-school and high-school aged kids. There are jerks everywhere, but most LDS adults will do exactly what noniesgirl described: if you want to know, I'll tell you. if you don't want to know, I'm not going to bug you.

The LDS church teaches that it is the only true chuch, which is fine. Problem is that immature kids interpret that as meaning that they (as LDS kids) are superior to non-LDS kids, and treat them as such. If I was single and was offered a good job in Utah, I'd jump on it. I love the mountains of Utah, along with the winter and summer seasons.

However, as a father of three, I'd never want to submit my kids to the "holier than thou" attitudes I went through growing up in SE Idaho. For me, Utah will always be a place for me to visit.