Non-mormon family looking to relocate to Lehi (Sandy, West Jordan: to rent, movers)

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by Grblpwr

I noticed a few people posting on this forum are coming from the Manassas, VA area, which is where I came from. I have been here a little longer now and still love it (as does my husband).

Just curious if you ever have longings to go back. I was living just up the road from you in Chantilly. I miss the nice trees, and the great job opportunities, the relative proximity to the ocean, but other than that, I haven't looked back. No more 5:30 a.m. traffic jams, no more $350,000 2 bedroom condos etc.

[sgt jeep]

Someone earlier in the thread stated the following:
"Maybe this is a good time to remind you that the reason there are so many Mormons here is because they were run out of all their previous residences by people who also thought they were intolerable. So they come to the desert, work really hard to make it liveable, and then 150+ years later, along come people who find them intolerable and...want them to leave, or at least just fade into the woodwork. The irony is staggering."

Why did these people think the Mormons were intolerable and run them out of their previous residences?

What were the issues?

I know what happened to the witches in Salem, and yes, I know there is absolutely no correlation.........but, I do not know the story of the Mormons before 1840's was it?

[chazcrew]

Originally Posted by sgt jeep

Someone earlier in the thread stated the following:
"Maybe this is a good time to remind you that the reason there are so many Mormons here is because they were run out of all their previous residences by people who also thought they were intolerable. So they come to the desert, work really hard to make it liveable, and then 150+ years later, along come people who find them intolerable and...want them to leave, or at least just fade into the woodwork. The irony is staggering."

Why did these people think the Mormons were intolerable and run them out of their previous residences?

What were the issues?

I know what happened to the witches in Salem, and yes, I know there is absolutely no correlation.........but, I do not know the story of the Mormons before 1840's was it?

That was my quote. I guess, in short, I'd have to say it was fear, anger, ignorance, hatred, bigotry, intolerance...all the usual reasons. Fear that the crazy Mormons would become a powerful group by congregating as they did in one area; anger that they would have the nerve to believe something different from others; ignorance of the real situation, just going along with the crowd; hatred of anything or anyone different from themselves; same goes for bigotry and intolerance.

I wish I could link you to better information, but the mods will just remove the links. I'll try to send you a private message with links. Maybe that will work.

Meanwhile, here's the gist of it: religious persecution drove the Mormons from state to state. Their leaders were tarred and feathered multiple times; everywhere they gathered, people feared their political and/or economic influence; they were repeatedly driven from their homes by mobs. Not even the militia could protect them. In fact, they were part of the problem, carrying out an extermination order issued by the governor of Missouri. The Mormons established the city of Nauvoo, Illinois, hoping it would be a safe haven. It was swampy land nobody else wanted. They drained the swamps and made it a thriving, beautiful city.

Once again, neighboring cities began complaining. By voting as a bloc and becoming an economically competitive group, they posed a perceived threat to others. Throughout all this, the church leaders were repeatedly assaulted (tarred and feathered) and arrested and imprisoned on trumped-up charges. In 1844 the prophet and president of the church, Joseph Smith, was murdered by a mob, along with his brother Hyrum, while in Carthage Jail.

Once again driven from their homes, the latter-day saints left everything they had and relocated again, this time travelling clear to Utah, which wasn't even a state yet. They walked, rode, pulled handcarts, drove covered wagons, and finally arrived in the Salt Lake Valley. More and more Mormons joined them, and they finally found a place where they would be left mostly alone, in a desert nobody else wanted. They worked hard to once again form a thriving, beautiful city. And that's why I find it ironic that someone would come along and complain that there are too darn many Mormons here.

That's it in a nutshell, anyway.

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by sgt jeep

Someone earlier in the thread stated the following:
"Maybe this is a good time to remind you that the reason there are so many Mormons here is because they were run out of all their previous residences by people who also thought they were intolerable. So they come to the desert, work really hard to make it liveable, and then 150+ years later, along come people who find them intolerable and...want them to leave, or at least just fade into the woodwork. The irony is staggering."

Why did these people think the Mormons were intolerable and run them out of their previous residences?

What were the issues?

I know what happened to the witches in Salem, and yes, I know there is absolutely no correlation.........but, I do not know the story of the Mormons before 1840's was it?

To sum it shortly -- the Mormons congregated together and formed a powerful voting block. In Missouri, they were abolitionists in a slave state and got driven out. In Illinois, they built a city called Nauvoo with over 20,000 people. It was more populous than Chicago at the time. It scared people to see so many people moving in who had the power to change laws and elect leaders, especially because their beliefs were different than the original inhabitants.

[LlasaLost]

chaz---good post, very good, concise post, but you left out the fact the wherever the Mormons settled they built up good farms and good homes---which were basically stolen from them: you force people out in the dead of night, or your give them a deadline in which to evacuate with a threat of murder and mayhem, all you have to do is wait until they leave and take over their property---which happened over and over again.

So, jeep, when some of us get a little "sensitive" in regard to some of the statements made on this board it may be because there's history involved; we see the same attitudes, the same ignorance expressed, often the same lies, regarding the LDS Church that have been circulated since before the 1830's, and it's stupid, and sad.

[michelleleigh]

Its a shame that for a country that was founded for a place to worship freely>People treat eachother so badly,over and over again.Its silly and stupid. I dont see why other non LDS are so worried about going to Utah. I have never seen a Morman act rude to someone because they were non LDS like I said my brother was the only non Lds in his boy scout group and I went to school with a lot of Morman kids(only one was ever mean and he was just mean to every one,so I just assuemed he was having a rough time at home)
I am sorry for any group of people who have been treated poorly for any reason.I mean God is all about compasion and love (If he was not we would have all been toast by now) So the next time someones ideas dont fit yours (this goes for all of us),maybe we should look at that person or at least try to look at them the way we would want God to look at oureselves. Oh and go into a situation like a new move with a happy heart it does wonders We have only untill Dec 4th and we will be in our new state Utah!!!!

[Zuma Mama]

I just can't help myself. I am all caught up in the Thanksgiving spirit and now I'm going to put it all out there for better or worse.

In my mind I have been making the traditional list of those things I am thankful for. There are a number of new things on that list. This year I am grateful for someone known as DP525 and a whole host of his friends without faces. I am grateful to have stumbled upon this forum. It has caused me to think and take a serious look at what I believe and how I behave. I am certain of what I believe and I know that will never change, but I can and willchange my behavior. With what I have learned from reading this thread I am looking at people through a new lens, one that is more in focus.

I am grateful for people who have shared questions, answers, insight and especially belief's that are different from my own. To those who have vented anger and frustration: thank you for being honest and without pretense (as far as I can tell). Your posts scared me at first, but I read them differently now.

These 25 pages began because DP, a father, was concerned about how people would treat his children. In my heart I believe that there is another Father who is also concerned about how His children treat each other. Thanks DP, and others, who have made me more determined to "play nicely" with everyone - regardless!

In all sincerity I wish each of you a delicious Thanksgiving, a Happy Hanukkah, a Joyous Kwanzaa (sp?), a Merry Christmas, Beautiful Boxing Day and any other celebration that I have innocently overlooked! May you find yourselves surrounded by things that make you happy.

To DP and his wife, sitting on their porch, drinking their beverage of choice: cheers!

Zuma


Oh, good grief! Would someone please turn off that sentimental background music and get me out of this Hallmark commercial??!

[LlasaLost]

And a happy everything to you, too, Zuma. May our Father's blessings abound in you life

[DP525]

Originally Posted by Zuma Mama

To DP and his wife, sitting on their porch, drinking their beverage of choice: cheers!

Zuma

Cheers back at ya, Zuma!

I think we have had a good forum here where a lot of different people have learned some good things. Thanks to everyone for your input. Zuma, Llasa, Chaz, coolcats, Shawn (hey, where did he go?)--I especially thank you for sharing your insight and advice as Latter-Day Saints. It has helped me immensely.

Now let's eat!

[chazcrew]

Zuma, you've been listening to 100.5 again, haven't you? LOL! That was a great post. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!