LDS beware! What to expect outside of Utah! (Cove, Joseph: living in, authority)

[RockyMtnr]

Originally Posted by LlasaLost

While I certainly agree with the tone of your post, the above is not correct. The LDS Church uses the King James Version of the Bible, not their own version.

The LDS use the King James Version *as translated by Joseph Smith*. They publish it, give it away, study it and quote from it.
It is different - I looked. I was a Divinity student and know some of what to look for.
Don't take it badly - so many translations out there have subtle changes made - usually to support a denomination's own ideology.
Noooooobody else uses this translation (that I know of).

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnr

The LDS use the King James Version *as translated by Joseph Smith*. They publish it, give it away, study it and quote from it.
It is different - I looked. I was a Divinity student and know some of what to look for.
Don't take it badly - so many translations out there have subtle changes made - usually to support a denomination's own ideology.
Noooooobody else uses this translation (that I know of).

Mostly true -- we use the standard King James version. Any discrepancies as noted in Joseph Smith Translation appear in the footnotes or in a special section separate from the main bible.

[JMT]

Originally Posted by SergeantL

I know that work will require many Saints to move out of Utah. I have read so much material in this forum regarding the inhospitality of Latter-Day Saints in Utah, I believe it is appropriate to warn members of the Church regarding what to expect outside of Utah or Idaho.

Now, keep this in mind. Since I have suffered the following examples and I am within the normative statistical percentiles of society, it is certain all of this will happen to all LDS members outside of Utah or Idaho with a plus or minus 5% error rate. Furthermore, even though these examples may appear anecdotal and sporadic at first blush and there is no proof the events ever took place, there can be no doubt all of society has this same attitude toward members of the LDS faith. Anyone seen my tongue? It was somewhere near my cheek last time I saw it.

After leaving our son at the Missionary Training Center at BYU, my wife and I were on a late night flight back to California. The gentlemen sitting across the aisle from my wife struck up a conversation, asking us why we were visiting California. My wife told him we lived in California, and we were returning after leaving our son at the MTC at BYU. His entire countenance changed, and without another word, he got up and relocated to an empty seat at the rear of the aircraft.

Even after 32 years at the same place of work, my coworkers can’t understand why I won’t contribute to the coffee fund. They can’t understand why I won’t eat pizza and drink beer with them while watching football on Sunday. They tell me I don’t have to drink beer; they will buy Coke or something.

My favorite discussions include: Polygamy (their word, not mine), how do we get permission to baptize corpses, what kind of idiot pays 10% of his or her gross income to a church, and true freedom is the ability to smoke and drink without some old man telling you it’s wrong, while he picks your pocket for 10% of your income.

That's hysterical! Thanks for the pick-me-up.

My parents, baptized LDS in Florida in 1957, have always said that the LDS church would be much better off if half the Mormons in Utah would leave and go live somewhere else for a while just to see what the "real world" is like. And he wasn't referring to missionaries.

At one point, my dad was unemployed in Tampa. He got a job offer from the U of U in SLC. My dad turned it down. He said he would rather be unemployed in the "real world" than raise his family surrounded by Utah Mormons. I thought that was funny.

[cottonwood2420]

People are nicer in utah than in most places. Even when the victims from hurracaine katrina were at Camp Williams they told the news crew that they had never been anywhere with nicer people than in Utah. And i think that it is rediculoius that somebody would rather be unemployed in Hurracine Country than live by these glorious mountains and nice people.

[JMT]

Originally Posted by cottonwood2420

People are nicer in utah than in most places. Even when the victims from hurracaine katrina were at Camp Williams they told the news crew that they had never been anywhere with nicer people than in Utah. And i think that it is rediculoius that somebody would rather be unemployed in Hurracine Country than live by these glorious mountains and nice people.

I'm glad that people in Utah were so friendly to Katrina victims. The hurricane victims who came to Tennessee said the same thing about people in Tennessee. People all over the country were friendly to Katrina victims.

And actually, many of the Katrina victims who ended up in Utah complained bitterly about it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yes, people in Utah are friendly. But in Utah, I felt that the friendliness was shallow and superficial. They were polite and friendly only because they were supposed to be, not because they genuinely wanted to be. But that was in SLC and Provo. Maybe in more rural parts of Utah it's different.

[MoMark]

Originally Posted by TDECK

I am not LDS but have a high level of respect for them. In my view all releigions can be viewed as cults. It comes down to your faith. My neighbors in CA have allways been my best neighbors. There children have allways been respectful of our neighborhood and my property. I wont even begin compareing and contrasting between the non LDS population. I think many people hate Mormons because they are usually "white", conservative, and dont need your money. They are able to resist many attempts to destroy there culture which only angers those who try. I realize I am painting with a broad brush but for the whole it is true.

That's pure quatsch. What a load of malarkey. I don't doubt that your neighbors were respectful of your property and raised their children well, but your further attempts to explain why some people are anti-Mormon is weak conjecture.
I agree most Mormons are friendly, at least superficially. The problem many have with them however is that their religion is not Christian and is sold as being Christian. Criticism of the Mormon religion as a false religion is not rudeness or envy of Mormons. And it doesn't mean that those who criticize the Mormon religion hate Mormons.
The Bible in the Book of Revelations specifically addresses changes made to add or subtract from the Bible:
Revelation 22:18 -19:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Joseph Smith "got sum splainin' to do at the Judgement".
All I know is I wouldn't want to be in his shoes standing before Jesus at the Judgement.

[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by MoMark

That's pure quatsch. What a load of malarkey.

Originally Posted by MoMark

Even so, people should be polite and friendly

Ahem, I'm sorry; you were just saying something about being polite and friendly....................................

[MoMark]

Originally Posted by SergeantL

Ahem, I'm sorry; you were just saying something about being polite and friendly....................................

Confuse the context. No problem. Feel free. It's not worth debating or responding to in detail to one who mixes context drawn from two posts to make an empty point. Nice try though.

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by JMT

And actually, many of the Katrina victims who ended up in Utah complained bitterly about it. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Sources and examples?

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by MoMark

The problem many have with them however is that their religion is not Christian and is sold as being Christian.

I'm glad to have finally found someone with the ultimate authority to decide who is and is not Christian.