I would like to move to Utah from Florida (renting, camping)
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Doesn't matter which they learn first. My daughter had an easier time learning to snowboard and didn't like skiing at all. Two of my sons found skiing easier, but my third son enjoyed snowboarding, however he learned to ski first.
my wife (a floridian, btw--hollywood, jacksonville, and debary mostly) likes skiing more, though last year she got a really bad concussion (wearing a helmet is a good idea, and you won't be the only one, so don't feel weird) that still makes her dizzy sometimes, so i doubt that she will be going this year with me.
i liked snowboarding more, partially because i can't slow down or stop on skis, and while that is fun for the first part of the slope, once you see the crowds at the bottom of the hill, it isn't so fun. so i took up snowboarding. it is harder for me to maneuver, but i can slow down and stop pretty well, and it uses just about every muscle in own, so it is good excercise (i thought i was pretty well educated as far as the endurance and range of my body; snowboarding taught me that i still had a lot to learn).
either way, even if you suck at skiing or snowboarding, it is still fun to crash down the mountain, getting a little better each time. but if you are worried about injuries, do your crashing on the gentler slopes.
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LaFrench,
We live in Southern Utah and can't wait to get out. Our children have been subjected to terrible persecution because of not being LDS (from teachers and administration as much or more than from other students). We have no legal rights in the courts here (only a few judges, and they ALWAYS choose the LDS person over the "gentile" regardless of the circumstances.)
I've heard that it's better in SLC, but any town smaller than that, beware.
The neighborhood teenagers randomly vandalize homes in our nice, upper middle class neighborhood, and the police look the other way. An LDS friend told me she was embarrassed to admit it, but they believe "anything you do to a 'gentile' is justified," and their actions certainly back up her statements.
I wish I had never brought my children here. It's a stunningly beautiful version of Hell.
i am aorry that you have dealt with idiots. they should be shipped off to the bible belt (or maybe the mideast...) so that they can get a taste of their own medicine. note though that the majority of mormons are pretty friendly people.
my wife (a floridian, btw--hollywood, jacksonville, and debary mostly) likes skiing more, though last year she got a really bad concussion (wearing a helmet is a good idea, and you won't be the only one, so don't feel weird) that still makes her dizzy sometimes, so i doubt that she will be going this year with me.
i liked snowboarding more, partially because i can't slow down or stop on skis, and while that is fun for the first part of the slope, once you see the crowds at the bottom of the hill, it isn't so fun. so i took up snowboarding. it is harder for me to maneuver, but i can slow down and stop pretty well, and it uses just about every muscle in own, so it is good excercise (i thought i was pretty well educated as far as the endurance and range of my body; snowboarding taught me that i still had a lot to learn).
either way, even if you suck at skiing or snowboarding, it is still fun to crash down the mountain, getting a little better each time. but if you are worried about injuries, do your crashing on the gentler slopes.
i am aorry that you have dealt with idiots. they should be shipped off to the bible belt (or maybe the mideast...) so that they can get a taste of their own medicine. note though that the majority of mormons are pretty friendly people.
Thank you.
How does your wife like living in UT?
How were you able to convince her to move there?
Just curious, as I am trying to show my wife that it is not that bad of a place and there are much worse.
i liked snowboarding more, partially because i can't slow down or stop on skis, and while that is fun for the first part of the slope, once you see the crowds at the bottom of the hill, it isn't so fun. so i took up snowboarding. it is harder for me to maneuver, but i can slow down and stop pretty well, and it uses just about every muscle in own, so it is good excercise (i thought i was pretty well educated as far as the endurance and range of my body; snowboarding taught me that i still had a lot to learn).
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I have never tried snowboarding. I would be afraid I couldn't get back up if I fell down. Don't you have to have really strong legs to do that?
i am aorry that you have dealt with idiots. they should be shipped off to the bible belt (or maybe the mideast...) so that they can get a taste of their own medicine. note though that the majority of mormons are pretty friendly people.
No not the bible belt, don't send them here because I have to live here for 3 more years. I am a mormon and I think I am pretty nice, but I have to deal with baptist in the bible belt, so I am pretty busy lol
Thank you.
How does your wife like living in UT?
How were you able to convince her to move there?
Just curious, as I am trying to show my wife that it is not that bad of a place and there are much worse.
Thanks,
LAFrench
she likes utah, though she likes florida more. i convinced her because she is very frugal, and school for me is way cheaper out here. she is mormon, which helps, i am sure (though she is one of those mormons that calls us utah mormons 'utards').
a big thing that has helped her is the amount of friends that she has out here. she already had two that lived out here, and now that we're here, she's having more of her friends and family move out (her brother and sister in law just moved into our basement). in fact, she has more friends out here than i do, which is partially because she actually keeps track of people, which i am notoriously bad at, and she has a little more time to be social, since i am working full time and going to school full time.
either way, she is pretty proactive when she decides that she wants something, and she was determined not to be bored and lonely in utah, so she's pretty happy.
maybe i can have her email your wife or something.
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I have never tried snowboarding. I would be afraid I couldn't get back up if I fell down. Don't you have to have really strong legs to do that?
i don't think that there is any more *need* for strength than skiing, but you will certainly build the muscles if you practice often. every muscle in my body hurts after snowboarding for a while, especially in my toes, feet, and lower legs, since those are the ones i use (maybe wrongly so) to stabalize myself and try to stay balanced. it is awesome fun though, and worth the soreness afterward--kinda like horseback riding.
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No not the bible belt, don't send them here because I have to live here for 3 more years. I am a mormon and I think I am pretty nice, but I have to deal with baptist in the bible belt, so I am pretty busy lol
ok, we'll keep 'em here. certainly there are ignorant, unfriendly mormons out here in utah, but those monsters--whether accurate or not--described in this thread are hardly the norm. there is no mormon tradition that it is ok to cheat and belittle 'gentiles'. there is no mandate or even common belief that we are better than anyone else. those that act as if this is what they believe are missing the point, and are in need of some correction.
there is one other common denominator though, that of miscommunication and emotional responses. i see this happen all of the time, as much in my own life as in the lives of others and on this forum. person-a says or does something that offends person-b. person-b reacts, but doesn't say anything to the person, never asks, never recieves clarification. person-a never realizes that anything is wrong, and is never given the chance to explain. person-b resents person-a--as well as anyone else that seems to have a similar mindset or operating system.
sometimes, person-a is really a moron, and did something undeniably and knowingly offensive. whether or not that is the case, if person-b never talks to him about it, he will keep on doing what it was that he was doing, and things will never change. sometimes though, person-a was innocent in his actions, and meant no harm. in fact, a good deal of the time, there was actually no wrong done, but person-b perceived some kind of slight or problem. person-b could clear a lot of his hard feelings up by openly communicating with person-a and letting him know what is going on. then, person-a has the chance to say, "oh, i didn't even realize that you took offense. i wasn't trying to avoid you personally. i was trying to avoid everyone that day--i had the flu. nothing personal. sorry i didn't explain that." and then everyone can go on their merry way, feeling better about themselves for having tackled a problem in a head-on, proactive way, rather than stewing miserably about it and allowing it to stagnate and ferent into something horribly bitter and undesirable.
now, not all utah-haters fit this scenario, i already know. just as not all marital problems arise from this situation, not all bar fights start from this situation, etc, etc. but, how many of them do you think do start with a similar situation? in my experience, many. i really think that most offenses in social situations are caused by the quiet resentment to a situation that is misunderstood, usually harmlessly innocent, and never clarified, never resolved.
For now, I will just continue to talk to her on my own.
I know that the housing market needs to pick up here and everywhere before we can even think of relocating. We are going to take the family on a ski vacation and hopefully take in some sights a few days. I know you cannot take in everything in a short time, but I want her to see how people are and hopefully talk to some while we are there and hear from someone else there that it is not all bad in UT.
sometimes, person-a is really a moron, and did something undeniably and knowingly offensive. whether or not that is the case, if person-b never talks to him about it, he will keep on doing what it was that he was doing, and things will never change. sometimes though, person-a was innocent in his actions, and meant no harm. in fact, a good deal of the time, there was actually no wrong done, but person-b perceived some kind of slight or problem. person-b could clear a lot of his hard feelings up by openly communicating with person-a and letting him know what is going on. then, person-a has the chance to say, "oh, i didn't even realize that you took offense. i wasn't trying to avoid you personally. i was trying to avoid everyone that day--i had the flu. nothing personal. sorry i didn't explain that." and then everyone can go on their merry way, feeling better about themselves for having tackled a problem in a head-on, proactive way, rather than stewing miserably about it and allowing it to stagnate and ferent into something horribly bitter and undesirable.
now, not all utah-haters fit this scenario, i already know. just as not all marital problems arise from this situation, not all bar fights start from this situation, etc, etc. but, how many of them do you think do start with a similar situation? in my experience, many. i really think that most offenses in social situations are caused by the quiet resentment to a situation that is misunderstood, usually harmlessly innocent, and never clarified, never resolved.
aaron out.
Yep! Misunderstanding what was said and not having clarification causes all kinds of problems. You see that all the time and especially here on CD. Well put Stycoti
I'll agree with that stycotl... my wife is just afraid because she does not want to move somewhere and life would be a living hell for my two boys. Just what any good parent would want for their children. I just see somethings a little different. We lucked out when we moved from Louisiana to FL. Our neighborhood is nice and there are a lot of children that all play together. They are of different religions, race, etc and they could care less about it... just as long as there is daylight for all to play. Sometimes we should sit and watch and sometimes take after our children with some of life's lessons.
LAFrench
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