I would like to move to Utah from Florida (Draper: estate, building)

[LAFrench]

It is not that she is anit-LDS, she just would is very concerned that our boys would be treated equally, and not as an outsider.
We are good people who work hard and only want the best for our children.
I fell in love with the mountains out west when I helped my brother move to CO (long time ago). Another reason, is that I am tired of the heat, humidity, and hurricanes that we face living in the South. That same brother lives in Layton, who shares my love for the outdoors, as well as being a good person. He can appreciate how the Mormon influence has kept UT to be a nice place to live and raise a family. He just does not like it when some (not all) LDS people try to speak to his children about the Mormon religion w/out his consent. And I would have to agree with him on that one.
Denver would be a nice place to live, except that it is much more expensive to live there, as well as having to travel farther to enjoy the mountains and outdoors.
I have no alterior motive at all. I just want to live in peace and be able to share my love of the outdoors with my family. I respect anyone's decision to choose a different religion, but I do not agree with trying to convert them. If I can live in peace among others of different religious beliefs, than they should be able to do the same and respect another's beliefs.
I am not the type of person who enjoys to bash another person's religious choices. I expect the same of my fellow man.

Originally Posted by daisywolf

LAFrench,

With no disrespect, if your wife is anti-LDS and has no desire to live in Utah, I really don't think she would be happy there. Why are you so hell bent on moving there? Why not check out Denver? It's a big city and plenty of mountains and much less LDS. After reading through all your posts I can't help but think you have some ulterior motive in moving to UT. Trust me, from what you've described of your already pre-conceived ideas of mormans and life in UT, you seem like you & your wife would be looking over your shoulder all the time worrying about what the LDS are doing. Let the LDS live and if you want to live among them, then do as they do and let them live as they live... kinda like the Romans... when in Rome...

[LAFrench]

I could definitely see my family living in UT. My wife and I are not the one's who goes looking for the party area of a town. I would much prefer to spend my time at home with my family and the great outdoors.
I have spoken with some LDS people while at Disney World and think that they are really nice people. I enjoyed the conversation with them and not once did a religious topic come up in the conversation. They seemed to be genuinely honest and good people. And that is the type of people I would want to be around.
I respect their views on life and only could pray that others shared a common goal of being better people.
We are open-minded people who only wish the best for our children (like any other good parent would).

Originally Posted by Jen38

I agree with DaisyWolf. If you come to Utah with a lot of fear you will definitely notice the differences and may cause isolation all on your own.
Anywhere you live you find people that are similar and are different from you, whether it be Utah or some place else. I have friends that have moved other places in the US and complain that the people are so different than what they are used to on the East coast and that they just don't feel comfortable, therefore they hate it and want to move back to their security. Anytime you make a move in order for it to be a success you have to be open minded. If not, it will become whatever you fear.

I have noticed something out here though. When you meet someone who is Mormon, if they are not from Utah they will often say, "We're Mormon, but we're not Utah Mormons". I think that is so funny because they are assuming I know the difference. They say Utah Mormons are more judgemental but I think that Mormons judge other Mormons more so than they do non Mormons. I have never felt like I'm being judged, or maybe I'm too arrogant to notice? Mormons have very high expectations of one another in their religion so I think they may feel more pressure from other Mormons than those of us that are non.

I was invited to a girls night out last week by my very good Mormon friend. Not one woman in the group was Mormon (except my friend). I have to say, I liked my Mormon girlfriend SO much better than these other women. I'm telling you, it's not a religious thing, it's a personality issue just like anywhere else. I drank my wine as I sat and chatted with my girlfriend who drank her diet coke. Not a big deal.
I just went to lunch in Park City today with this same Mormon friend and we talked and laughed for two hours about a hundred different topics! We had a blast. You choose your friends based on your lifestyle, your morals and your values. Some may choose it for religion purposes but those are usually the ones that are very religious and make it their life, regardless of which religion. There are actually many Mormons that do not go to church every single week (like us Catholics) and do not do all of the things are expected. I have a neighbor who is Mormon and was just telling me she used to hate doing her "visit" with the woman who used to live in my house. She said she couldn't stand her and waited 18 years for the woman and her family to move! These are two Mormon families that belonged to the same Ward and couldn't stand each other. Just like neighbors who don't get along anywhere else in this country. This neighbor really likes me and I have nothing to do with her religion.
Like Daisywolf says, if you are looking mainly for outdoor beauty you may want to look at Colorado. Colorado Springs is gorgeous! And really, if you have to convince someone that much, they may never see what you see and it may make both of your lives miserable. If you're happy in Florida, stay there and save your money to buy a vacation home in Park City, UT. That way you have all of the fun and you don't have to get used to a new lifestyle.

You've got a lot of thinking to do! They say moving is one of the hardest changes to make. I agree. After 9 states in 16 years, it's finally getting easier but I still sit and cry a few days before moving day!

Good luck.
Jen

[daisywolf]

LAFrench,

Strap some on and move to UT. What are you waiting for? You'll be an old man by the time you make it happen... Take a chance and don't worry about it so much... what you focus on grows... if you spend all your time stressing about the LDS crowd you'll drive yourself crazy... get over yourselves! LIVE LIFE... life is short! No matter where you live, you'll find people who are different and have different values... if you can't navigate around them you might not survive the "big picture" did you ever stop to think your good values could benefit them?

Get packin' buddy, make it happen. We are doing the same.... with NO FEAR of LDS or anything else for that matter! I am grounded in my faith and I know who my Savior is... the Bible tells us there will be struggles in this life... I can't think of a better struggle than living in Utah.

peace out~

[Tim Tim Tim]

Originally Posted by LAFrench

It is not that she is anit-LDS, she just would is very concerned that our boys would be treated equally, and not as an outsider.
We are good people who work hard and only want the best for our children.
I fell in love with the mountains out west when I helped my brother move to CO (long time ago). Another reason, is that I am tired of the heat, humidity, and hurricanes that we face living in the South. That same brother lives in Layton, who shares my love for the outdoors, as well as being a good person. He can appreciate how the Mormon influence has kept UT to be a nice place to live and raise a family. He just does not like it when some (not all) LDS people try to speak to his children about the Mormon religion w/out his consent. And I would have to agree with him on that one.
Denver would be a nice place to live, except that it is much more expensive to live there, as well as having to travel farther to enjoy the mountains and outdoors.
I have no alterior motive at all. I just want to live in peace and be able to share my love of the outdoors with my family. I respect anyone's decision to choose a different religion, but I do not agree with trying to convert them. If I can live in peace among others of different religious beliefs, than they should be able to do the same and respect another's beliefs.
I am not the type of person who enjoys to bash another person's religious choices. I expect the same of my fellow man.

I honestly dont hear of much of that. most lds I have met dont try to cram there religion down your throat. the most I have gotten was "yeah you should come check it out sometime and see what its about". That was after asking several questions about it though so it was right in line with the conversation.

Well I take that back, there were some missionaries that wouldnt leave us alone for a little while, I suppose thats there job though

[Jen38]

There are some gated communities in Draper and Sandy that there is no soliciting allowed. I have never had a missionary or anyone else for that matter come to my door.

[Tim Tim Tim]

well someone told them to come to our house I guess so it wasnt just a door to door deal or something. Unfortunatly i cant afford a gated community yet haha, still getting on my feet from the year of no work in florida so ill deal with the occational solicitor for now i guess haha

[LAFrench]

I am doing my best, but we cannot afford to take a hugh loss on our house in FL. We are not made of money, nor do we come from money, so the get packin' and move is out of the question. Maybe if we hit a lottery it would be a different story. Unless you have too much money, we could take some off of you.
I would hope that our good values would be welcomed in UT or even be considered closely related to their good values.
We too, know how our Savior is and living anywhere right now is a struggle for most.

Originally Posted by daisywolf

LAFrench,

Strap some on and move to UT. What are you waiting for? You'll be an old man by the time you make it happen... Take a chance and don't worry about it so much... what you focus on grows... if you spend all your time stressing about the LDS crowd you'll drive yourself crazy... get over yourselves! LIVE LIFE... life is short! No matter where you live, you'll find people who are different and have different values... if you can't navigate around them you might not survive the "big picture" did you ever stop to think your good values could benefit them?

Get packin' buddy, make it happen. We are doing the same.... with NO FEAR of LDS or anything else for that matter! I am grounded in my faith and I know who my Savior is... the Bible tells us there will be struggles in this life... I can't think of a better struggle than living in Utah.

peace out~

[LAFrench]

I guess it could be a hit or miss situation.
Someone in your neighborhood probably told the missionaries that you were new and to verify if you were a member. No biggie... I would just politely tell them I was not interested and that I have no intentions of converting to ANY other religion. I was born Catholic and I will die Catholic. Just the way people from the New Orleans, LA area are.

Originally Posted by Tim Tim Tim

I honestly dont hear of much of that. most lds I have met dont try to cram there religion down your throat. the most I have gotten was "yeah you should come check it out sometime and see what its about". That was after asking several questions about it though so it was right in line with the conversation.

Well I take that back, there were some missionaries that wouldnt leave us alone for a little while, I suppose thats there job though

[daisywolf]

hopefully you'll live out your latter years in UTAH!

[LAFrench]

I hope so too.

Are you there yet? If not, how soon do you and your family plan on moving there?

Originally Posted by daisywolf

hopefully you'll live out your latter years in UTAH!