Places not controlled by Mormons (Park City: live in, legally, moving to)

[TDECK]

Please educate me klutzyjen on how I should express myself. How PC would you like it? I understand that you live in a fantasy world like many people and will try my best to not sound ignorant and illiterate in future post. The way I sound is how I feel. Would you rather I sugar coat my opinion? I have tried to find another word for Mexican but Mexican most accurately describes what I am speaking about.

Please understand klutzjen that I want to save these cry babies time and money by explaining to them that Utah may not be for them. It is a LDS red state.

[VC dreamer]

I agree.
I wanted to know everything about the area where I have to live, so I could adjust to it The town I live in is very heavily populated with LDS, which means, it's quiet after dark, the homes are maintained, and lawns are well-groomed, children adress me as "Mrs.______", and when my husband went to work one morning and left the garage door up, NOTHING was stolen! Coming from CA this was a big change!!! Yes, the pace out here is a lot slower, and that's still hard for me to adjust to, but so was the fact that all my LDS neighbors coming over and saying "hi" did not mean that they were trying to be nosy, or convert me....they were just being polite! Just like I had pre-conceived notions of living in a LDS state, maybe some here have pre-conceived notions of what people from CA are like, and maybe we're both wrong.

[Skiheaven]

I understand your question and it is a resonable honest question, I hear you. The Mormans that are not being nice to you do not know how to see what you mean because they were raised Mormans from a young age, most likely.
The best places are city locations, such as Ogden and the outskirts where the nice houses are. Salt lake city and surrounding areas. Real Estate is booming here and so is a diverse culture developing. Now is a great time to get into Utah. When there are More Non Mormans it will benefit everyone Mormans and Non Mormans. Diversity brings more freedoms and culture which Utah can use more of. I like Mormans I was one before I decided to become Christian, its just a different culture because the Church is a huge part of there lives and Church activites. The beliefs seem to seperate themselves as being more special, that their church is the one and only right one. I personally think otherwise, many other Mormans may too but they certainly won't express it, except when they go to Park City to drink beer and have Starbucks coffee. Many mormans will welcome leaving 1800's behind and enjoying more of lifes freedoms. Its the old timers that are more controlling and not liberal. Church reform will come and Utah will be one of the most fantastic places to be. Other church's are here to. Move here and enjoy Utah, but you must have the additude that it really doesn't matter what others think, then the pressure to be a Morman will be put in its place, just don't worry about that. Let your heart guide you, you will be stronger and be very happy living hear because being true to yourself and loving yourself will lift you up and being in an awesome state like Utah, don't allow past beliefs of restricting and controlling to reach you, be yourself and the true friends will come knocking on your door. Don't be afraid to tell the Mormans that want you to join that you are very happy being where you are in life , they will respect that and you will respect yourself. If you decide to convert, try it., If it is not for you thats okay too, just be honest and true and the you will love it here. Good Luck, Kids love it here too, lots to do.
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[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by Skiheaven

When there are More Non Mormans it will benefit everyone Mormans and Non Mormans.

Please give specific examples of how more non LDS in Utah will benefit the Latter-day Saints. I will state that I can envision how it will benefit the non LDS population.

Diversity brings more freedoms and culture which Utah can use more of.

Specifically, what freedoms will diversity bring? Next, It appears, although I may misunderstand what you are inferring, that you believe Mormons are uncultured, so with that frame of reference in mind, why do you think Mormons lack culture?

Many mormans will welcome leaving 1800's behind and enjoying more of lifes freedoms.

Wow, do you mean the Mormons are still living in the 1800s? I thought only the Amish did that?

Next, tell me, what freedoms do the LDS desire that they don't enjoy now? Since, as you state, you were once LDS but no longer, you probably know more about this topic. Why did you leave the faith?

Additionally, since the Christian Faith begins in the 1st Century, how do you as a Christian feel about living in the 1st Century, or have you Christians changed the rules to adapt to modern standards?

Its the old timers that are more controlling and not liberal. Church reform will come and Utah will be one of the most fantastic places to be.

Yeah, it's always the old timers who spoil the fun. My parents never let me have any fun, either.

Kids love it here too, lots to do.
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Well, I guess even though the majority of the population is LDS living in an uncultured state of existence circa 1800, and the old timers are controlling, there is still something for kids to do.

[Calibelle]

Definition of Diversity:

"The concept of diversity encompasses acceptance and respect.
It means understanding that each individual is unique,
and recognizing our individual differences. These can be along
the dimensions of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, age, physical abilities, religious beliefs,
political beliefs, or other ideologies. It is the exploration
of these differences in a safe, positive, and nurturing environment.
It is about understanding each other and moving beyond
simple tolerance to embracing and celebrating the
rich dimensions of diversity contained within each individual"

Ok...... so I agree with ElderShawn. If someone started a thread that said something like this," Places not controlled by blacks/Catholics/baptists/hispanics/asian"..... and so on and so forth.... I highly doubt it would be acceptable to the majority of readers. The person who started a thread like that, would be viewed as racist, narrow minded, and ignorant.

All these threads about loving Utah, but not wanting to live among Mormons, really bothers me. In the late 1800's the LDS (mormon) faith were driven from several places, and finally made a hard journey to Utah, to escape religious persecution. Still today, Utah remains a highly LDS populated state. On another note, Salt Lake City has a very high alternative community. Salt Lake happens to have a very "diverse" feel to it.

Let me make this harsh statement. If living in a state that has a high LDS population to it bothers you, then stop whining about it, and don't move there. Or how about this for a thought?? Instead of depending on random people on an internet forum to inform you on whether or not you should even bother considering a certain place to live.... Why not have an open minded attitude, and actually visit the place yourself? Those Mormons might not be as controlling as you once thought! What a concept.

So..... examine the above definition of diversity. If you judge an entire state as a whole, because a high number of people who live there are of a certain faith, then I am sorry people, but you are being hypocritical. Embracing and recognizing diversity, is about looking at each person you meet, INDIVIDUALLY. For all people who constantly freak out about living among LDS, JUST SO YOU KNOW...... LDS people are actually very different from one another. They are all different ethnicities, have different interests, political views, and different outlooks on life!

So to say that Utah is CONTROLLED by Mormons? I think that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard of. So if I move somewhere in the South where the majority of people are Southern Baptists, and I am not, does that mean that that city, or state is CONTROLLED by Southern baptists?(by the way I have nothing against southern baptists, I am just using it as an example here). And what do you mean by CONTROLLED anyway? Should I assume that you think that the political side of Utah, the law enforcement, the schools, EVERYTHING is run by the LDS church? COME ON. The state of Utah functions on the same laws as the rest of the United States of America.

Every place in this world is diverse. It's all how you look at it. If you judge a place as a whole, purely based on how many people are a certain religion, instead of looking at people as individuals, then I guess you wont find diversity anywhere.

By the way, I don't even live in Utah. Some areas of Utah are not my favorite place, and not my idea of a social atmosphere. But.... it just bothers me when people cry out for diversity in Utah, but diversity is already everywhere. Maybe in some places diversity is harder to spot, but it's there. People can't seem to grasp that just because there are a lot of LDS in Utah, doesn't mean that it is "CONTROLLED" by Mormons. I guess to some ignorance is bliss.....

[dreameyes]

**applause**

**oncore! oncore!**

[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by Calibelle

Definition of Diversity:

"The concept of diversity encompasses acceptance and respect.
It means understanding that each individual is unique,
and recognizing our individual differences. These can be along
the dimensions of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, age, physical abilities, religious beliefs,
political beliefs, or other ideologies. It is the exploration
of these differences in a safe, positive, and nurturing environment.
It is about understanding each other and moving beyond
simple tolerance to embracing and celebrating the
rich dimensions of diversity contained within each individual"

If this is the commonly accepted definition of diversity, I am in trouble. There are simply some things I cannot tolerate, embrace, or celebrate. I will endure them, if the law so stipulates, but I won't be happy about it.

[cas2006]

Originally Posted by tewhann

So much about Utah appeals to me, but the Mormon control does not. Are there cities in Utah that aren't controlled by Mormons?

I'd be interested in your definition of "control"........and what you would find so unappealing about Mormon control.

[Calibelle]

Originally Posted by SergeantL

If this is the commonly accepted definition of diversity, I am in trouble. There are simply some things I cannot tolerate, embrace, or celebrate. I will endure them, if the law so stipulates, but I won't be happy about it.

Of course there are things that we all wont tolerate, celebrate, or embrace in this life. To name a few... sex offenders, muderers, ect, which are some things in this world that I don't tolerate, celebrate, or embrace. I just wanted to make a point, that it is unfair to judge a particular group/place as a whole, because of one common belief that they share, or one bad experience you may have had with someone of a certain race, religion, ect.

I also wanted people who cry out for diversity in Utah, to realize that it already exhists. It is that attitude that as a whole, Utah is not diverse, because it is full of people who are of the LDS faith, that really gets to me. To me, it is like saying that every Mormon is the same.

I think recognizing law abiding people as individuals, and showing respect for them, regardless of whether you agree with them or not, is important.

I am sick of people looking at Utah as one huge state, full of LDS, where people are all the same, and where mormons contol everything. I am sick of people judging the entire LDS religion, on one bad experience they may have had or heard of, that involved an LDS church member.

[humboldtrat]

I don't live in Utah, but wish I did - mostly for the reasons VC Dreamer stated above. I have visited Utah many times and found Salt Lake City to be a clean and neat city. If there are homeless, bars, "adult" entertainment and othere things that add to the "sleaze quality" of city life, they must be hiding them awfully well. Utah has a better quality of life than I find here in California. I'm not a Mormon and I have never been approached with the attempt to convert me. Saying Utah is "controlled" by the Mormons is like say Las Vegas is controlled by the Mob.