the "bubble" effect

[thwrosdlton]

I responded to her smile with a smile and hi and didn't get a response from the lady. The guy behind me didn't see she needed help either. She had to ask for it.

I had a another salesman come visit a few days before the last guy. He was selling the same type of product but with a different company and he didn't ask if I was the home owner. It's a neighborhood of higher end new homes so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know there aren't any renters here.

Mark, you could've let my post go without comment, but you chose to blame me. Unfortunately, it seems a typical response in the Utah forum. Everyone in Utah is perfect. Anyone who voices an opposing view is a trouble maker.

Sometimes I think it's like the wife or girlfriend who doesn't believe her husband(or new husband), or boy friend could possibly ever molest her children, so she blames her kids. Well guess what? Provo, Ogden and even Park City have twice the rate of rapes than San Francisco CA. So the people in Utah are NOT perfect.

[SergeantL]

OK, OK, I admit it; I am not sure what the bubble effect is? Would someone please give me a clear definition? I can see it has something to do with living an isolated life; why is this peculiar to the Salt Lake area? Did the term originate in Salt Lake?

[Wounded bank robbers response to Dirty Harry's question,"do ya feel lucky punk?" while he looked up into the barrel of Harry's 44 Magnum]

“I gots to know.”

[LlasaLost]

Hey--the sterotype is true---if you want it to be. Sure, there are people who will drive you nuts with their mind-set and zenophobia, but I've run into that type everywhere we've lived, and they have been made up of many religions (or no religion); the Wasatch "Mormons" don't have a monopoly on ignorance!

On the other side of the bubble, where in the world (outside of the UN environs in NYC) will you run into so many individuals, in a relatively concentrated area, who have been in so many varied parts of the world, who have been immersed in so many different cultures of the world's people, and who speak so many of the world's varied languages--a life-experience which cannot help but change one's viewpoint (unless the individual---notice I said "individual"--is a complete moron-Mormon)???

As far as teaching your children to rise above it all, that's what it's all about, isn't it?

[sofam]

SergeantL, I would consider people who live inside the Beltway or Manhattan to live in a bubble. Does that help?

[Mr_Magoola]

I personally have lived in the bubble all my life and I agree with many of those who have posted here. It is very important for the parents to be an example. My parents were a very good example to me and never kept me away from people of different cultures. I think we all have to be careful of trying to say we don't hold prejudices because it is human nature to be wary of something you are unfamiliar with. I know in some areas I have been to, people were nervous because they found out I was mormon and were afraid I was going to force them to join the "cult" and they would have to be a human sacrifice or something. we learn much from our parents and other people we look up to. hence the reason it is so difficult to break the cycle of segregation. Those who claim they have no prejudice need to be careful because that is when you are most inclined to be prejudiced against those who believe different from you. also within utah county and other areas with a high lds population there is a culture based around church and the children meet their friends at church and other church activities and tend to form cliques within their "ward boundaries" My best friends growing up were those who lived around me and went to church with me. It is easier for a kid to have a friend he sees at school, at church, and at other social activities arranged around them. It didn't seem to me that my parents had much influence on who my friends were other than where we lived.

[kimc53ssz28]

dreameyes, I grew up in Utah County, After 17 1/2 years I'm about to graduate and take a job in Arizona and leave this place FOREVER, let me tell you my opinion about it. I never felt that I fit in, probably because my parents were divorced, I'm not rich, I wasn't a loud, annoying, over privileged, sheltered, know-it-all, dis-respectful little kid (like the ones from my ward growing up) The drivers here are beyond, BEEEEEYOND horrible. People here live in a dream world. This is what people my age are doing, they went on missions, got home, got married to the first girl that they could, majored in business, started having kids, got jobs making 12 dollars an hour (cause there's nothing around here you can do with a business degree unless daddy or daddy-in-law helps you), moved into a home they couldn't afford, bought cars and other toys they couldn't afford, got sick of going to a job they hate while the wife stays home and scrap books, all the while raising their kids to repeat this cycle. I'm not being negative, but you have to understand I've been other places, and this is the only place that makes me feel like a failure, cause I'm not doing these things and these snooty girls will have nothing to do with me because I don't follow the Abercrombie, Hollister Norm. you wonder why Utah Valley has the highest consumption of Anti-Depressants, this place is weird. That's just my opinion, but If you're going to raise kids here, teach them to work for their things, to be respectful and open minded, and teach them about making choices, don't live in denial that they'll never be exposed to drugs and sex, cause they will, that does exist here whether these parents want to believe it or not. As for me, I will never raise my kids in Utah County.

[seinitoa]

I've lived in Utah since 1983 and moved here from Wyoming. You only raise your kids in the bubble if you choose to. Honestly, I must be really dumb because I have never noticed a bubble; however, I'm not Mormon and must not be expected to live up to the "bubble".

My neighbors are a "rainbow" couple, my daughter's dad is Tongan. You only live and raise your children in a bubble if you choose to. Your first mistake is recognizing the bubble to begin with and acknowledging it has power. Who cares what other people think or what the "bubble" think? Are you living, raising your children, and respecting other people? Are you making sure your children have open minds to other races, nationalities, religions, and lifestyles (whether you agree with them or not)? Then that is all that matters, not others opinions. I have always lived my life by the tenant that "you don't count, I'm not married to you, and you're not important in my life." It is amazing how easy life is if you aren't worried about what other people think. I'm sure your children are intelligent and will learn from you. How you react will be what they remember way, way, way in the future when they realize that no one elses opinion was important but the people they love and live with.

Just my opinion...LOL!

[pirate_lafitte]

This reminds me of when I moved to Paulding County at age 11. Everyone seemed the same to me and I was the one who stuck out in nearly every way. I felt strange at first. Then again, I was the one black kid in the class, I didn't know anything about skateboarding or anything else in pop culture for that matter other than Michael Jackson. Over time the demographics changed, but I know what you mean about "the bubble". My suggestion is to live in the urban areas.