Let's Try A Rational Approach (Roy: house, moving to, license)

[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by cottonwood2420

Where was that?

Sonoma County, California. Burbank's home was in Santa Rosa.

[melanieum]

Innocuous... Really? Meaning "not likely to give offense or to arouse strong feelings or hostility"
Asking why people who aren't being relocated would consider moving here and basically telling them not to ask where they might be most welcomed is NOT offensive? It seems clear the message the "question' gives.
Hidden in plain sight are some of the greatest truths known to mankind and if you were free to look outside of what you have always know you could see why these very types of questions give such an ill perception of this State. It wouldn't even be asked in most Forums. Most States would welcome growth and tourism since the enconomy depends on it.
And yes it does push my buttons when such nonsense is asked to be rational ("relating to, based on, or agreeable to reason" ) And the condensention of asking what logical reason a non-LDS person might have for moving here "excluding job transfers" is offensive. It may be hard for you to see, but try to think of it like someone seeking a better place to raise a family, or someone who wants to live in a BEAUTIFUL State, or someone who might just find Mormonism as their salvation... so you only want converts if they are recruited not just relocated?
All I was trying to expand on was that this "logic" is not logic at all, but demonstrates seperatism and being judgemental of people that want to relocate here. Sometimes when you agree with a line of questioning it is hard to see how someone who doesn't agree might perceive it. I simply wanted others to know that not everyone in Utah feels the same as the question implies.
"He who has no sins..."
Melz

[dogmom]

Huh? Wow, seems to be a pretty innocent question and I can't imagine that NOT being asked in another forum. Not everyone is out to 'get' Utah..It works for some, not for others. I thought it was actually a very interesting question and got my thought process going. In thinking about that question, I actually thought of some very nice things about Utah and I am no fan. So I'm glad he asked it! I see no point in getting your undies in a knot over it.....

[coolcats]

Originally Posted by melanieum

Innocuous... Really? Meaning "not likely to give offense or to arouse strong feelings or hostility"
Asking why people who aren't being relocated would consider moving here and basically telling them not to ask where they might be most welcomed is NOT offensive? It seems clear the message the "question' gives.
Hidden in plain sight are some of the greatest truths known to mankind and if you were free to look outside of what you have always know you could see why these very types of questions give such an ill perception of this State. It wouldn't even be asked in most Forums. Most States would welcome growth and tourism since the enconomy depends on it.
And yes it does push my buttons when such nonsense is asked to be rational ("relating to, based on, or agreeable to reason" ) And the condensention of asking what logical reason a non-LDS person might have for moving here "excluding job transfers" is offensive. It may be hard for you to see, but try to think of it like someone seeking a better place to raise a family, or someone who wants to live in a BEAUTIFUL State, or someone who might just find Mormonism as their salvation... so you only want converts if they are recruited not just relocated?
All I was trying to expand on was that this "logic" is not logic at all, but demonstrates seperatism and being judgemental of people that want to relocate here. Sometimes when you agree with a line of questioning it is hard to see how someone who doesn't agree might perceive it. I simply wanted others to know that not everyone in Utah feels the same as the question implies.
"He who has no sins..."
Melz

Well I, for one, could easily see that question being in any other forum. SeargentL can confirm, but I'm pretty sure the spirit of the question was thus:

"If you weren't compelled to move to Utah for employment reasons, what about Utah attracted you to this particular state over other states."

I'm pretty sure most everyone else was able to read the question as such, and not as some insideous question with hidden meaning between the keystrokes.

Speaking of which, you seemed to interpret the question as asking why non-LDS people would move to Utah. I recommend you re-read the original question. You will see it as equal opportunity with no mention of religion. Any insertion of religious issues is of your own doing.

[SergeantL]

Look, Meltz, as Cool wrote, I made no mention of religion, but allow me to give you a little history on the thread. I had posted a similar question that Cool was forced to close, because people got out of control, so I rephrased the question and posted a second time with the warning that responses stayed rational; meaning without religious rambling and anger. Even the first thread had no reference to religion. How you have come up with a religious undercurrent is beyond me. Now, since you think there is underlying unsavory intent on my part for posting the question, let me tell you why I posted the question. Ready? OK, here we go.

First, all of my LDS friends in my old California ward warned me not to move to Utah, because ALLEGEDLY Utah LDS members hate California LDS members. I guess it’s believed we baptize folks in hot tubs decorated with Peacock feathers and then serve champagne to celebrate. Next, when my California LDS friends heard I was moving to Price, they all thought I was nuts and told me I would never be happy. One member is from Price. Finally, my old home in California is located in a beautiful green area of California; whereas, Price is pretty brown and desolate, which is another reason my California friends thought I was out of my mind.

Now, since everyone thinks I am out of my mind, yet I am perfectly happy, although from a logical perspective I shouldn’t be, I was curious as to why other people were happy in a place that according to my old friends no one should be.

Oh, we LDS in California didn’t decorate with Peacock feathers, and the bubbly is apple cider.

[funutahgirl]

I have to say that I love this state- 4 seasons, beautiful landscapes, I think this is a beautiful state.
Plenty to do outside in nature. Fishing, hunting, ATV's, camping, hiking, swimming, boating, waterski and waveboard. Skiing. hang gliding, rock climbing, scuba,
I would say- unless you are looking for ocean surfing and/or beverly hills shopping...what cant you do here?
but- alas-
If you cannot see what you would do here. then there is no reason to come here.
Problem solved:
so Sargent- a question for you----what was your factor in your decision to leave “the chosen spot of all this earth as far as Nature is concerned,” and come to "live on a spot of ground in Utah that is arid to say the least."?

[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by funutahgirl

so Sargent- a question for you----what was your factor in your decision to leave “the chosen spot of all this earth as far as Nature is concerned,” and come to "live on a spot of ground in Utah that is arid to say the least."?

My reasons for moving were fairly simple and straight forward; I couldn’t stand the California lifestyle, which includes a number of issues from politics to morality. I was also able to purchase property and build for an extremely small fraction of the price it would have cost me in California.

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by SergeantL

Oh, we LDS in California didn’t decorate with Peacock feathers, and the bubbly is apple cider.

DARN....just when ya had me ready to convert

Actually....I guess I am confused.....about the concern....I have lived in Nevada for 45 yrs....almost married an LDS girl from SLC 45 yrs ago.....and I don't see where the concern is....LDS/MORMONS don't seem to have horns or tails or anything and seem to be just like me and everyone else....some are good some are bad some are rained out. [or something like that]

[SergeantL]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

Actually....I guess I am confused.....about the concern....I have lived in Nevada for 45 yrs....almost married an LDS girl from SLC 45 yrs ago.....and I don't see where the concern is....LDS/MORMONS don't seem to have horns or tails or anything and seem to be just like me and everyone else....some are good some are bad some are rained out. [Or something like that]

Precisely, other than their religious practices, which I admit is a lifestyle and not just a belief system, members of the LDS faith are just like anyone else in the world.

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by SergeantL

Precisely, other than their religious practices, which I admit is a lifestyle and not just a belief system, members of the LDS faith are just like anyone else in the world.

I must admit tho....that I got a chuckle from my boss once.....he had just been named President of a well known Casino Hotel....and was VERY active in the Mormon church....I asked him....how you rationalize the church's position against gambling and you position in the Casino Industry?

He said.....It just says we can't gamble...it doesnt say we can't make money off those that do .......

That pragmatic approach is what led to the Church owning Coca Cola among others LOL