(Non-Mormon) Black and white couple moving to SLC or a surrounding area (Draper: school, tax)

[OhYaImThatChick]

Originally Posted by Moonlight melvin

I guess since there's an abundance of white families adopting black children in Utah (specifically Utah County), it's to be assumed I did the same (even though I don't even look old enough to have the four I do have, let alone "look" like I am old enough to adopt, if there is such a thing).

The reason they are doing this is to get more African Americans in the Mormon church from the get go. That way they can be brain washed from a young age in to believing the garbage and lies they are feed every minute of their lives. It is really sad. They are doing it for ALL the wrong reasons!!

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by OhYaImThatChick

The reason they are doing this is to get more African Americans in the Mormon church from the get go. That way they can be brain washed from a young age in to believing the garbage and lies they are feed every minute of their lives. It is really sad. They are doing it for ALL the wrong reasons!!

So if a white couple adopts a black child, it's to brainwash that child into accepting their religious beliefs? My sister and her husband and both white and adopted a black child. Are you saying that this was so that they could brainwash him? Yes? Well, since they're not LDS, I guess they must want to brainwash their son to be anti-Mormon. You can't make stupid generalizations unless you're willing to accept the fact that they apply across the board.

Here's where you've got to start back-pedaling, Chick. If a white LDS couple adopts a black child, it's to brainwash him. If a white non-LDS couple adopts a black child, it's because they want a child to love. Now that's some convoluted logic for you. Or maybe it's just that you must figure black kids are more easily brainwashed than white kids. Either way, all I've got to say is that that's a narrow-minded attitude if I've ever seen one.

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by OhYaImThatChick

The reason they are doing this is to get more African Americans in the Mormon church from the get go. That way they can be brain washed from a young age in to believing the garbage and lies they are feed every minute of their lives. It is really sad. They are doing it for ALL the wrong reasons!!

a bit bitter, are we?

katzpur pretty efficiently outlined your logical failure there, so i won't do anything but reiterate it (reiterate!) and then point out that this would necessitate some church mandate that would encourage members in this direction.

not to mention the number of people adopting asian, latin, and even white babies. are they all adopting merely to brainwash kids too?

please, tell us more of this conspiracy theory. while you are at it, follow this link so that you can understand the simple ways in which your argument wouldn't hold water in a junior high debate class.

Fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

have fun. aaron out.

[OhYaImThatChick]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

So if a white couple adopts a black child, it's to brainwash that child into accepting their religious beliefs? My sister and her husband and both white and adopted a black child. Are you saying that this was so that they could brainwash him? Yes? Well, since they're not LDS, I guess they must want to brainwash their son to be anti-Mormon. You can't make stupid generalizations unless you're willing to accept the fact that they apply across the board.

Here's where you've got to start back-pedaling, Chick. If a white LDS couple adopts a black child, it's to brainwash him. If a white non-LDS couple adopts a black child, it's because they want a child to love. Now that's some convoluted logic for you. Or maybe it's just that you must figure black kids are more easily brainwashed than white kids. Either way, all I've got to say is that that's a narrow-minded attitude if I've ever seen one.

I NEVER said they wouldn't love the children they took in or take care of them I just see it that they are doing it for the wrong reasons. In one ward alone they had 30+ families all adopt AA children now come on...did they really all do that to "help" NO I don't think so. I myself am black/white & I would never want to be Mormon! I've had many friends & family whom are and then also with the whole Blacks not being allowed in their church for years should put a bad taste in any AA's mouth. Yes, I'm sure other religions have said a person of a certain race can't be in the church but none so vocal as the LDS church.

[Lmejh]

Originally Posted by OhYaImThatChick

I NEVER said they wouldn't love the children they took in or take care of them I just see it that they are doing it for the wrong reasons. In one ward alone they had 30+ families all adopt AA children now come on...did they really all do that to "help" NO I don't think so. I myself am black/white & I would never want to be Mormon! I've had many friends & family whom are and then also with the whole Blacks not being allowed in their church for years should put a bad taste in any AA's mouth. Yes, I'm sure other religions have said a person of a certain race can't be in the church but none so vocal as the LDS church.

Oh please - whether they're legit or not doesn't matter - they haven't been vocal about anything except Prop 8 for thirty or forty years... so what if they adopt children for what you think are the wrong reasons? As far as I know, they're trying to save these kids - both from bad environments and for eternal salvation. Honestly, I see nothing wrong with that. But this isn't a religious discussion. They've got a separate forum for that.

[OhYaImThatChick]

Originally Posted by Lmejh

Oh please - whether they're legit or not doesn't matter - they haven't been vocal about anything except Prop 8 for thirty or forty years... so what if they adopt children for what you think are the wrong reasons? As far as I know, they're trying to save these kids - both from bad environments and for eternal salvation. Honestly, I see nothing wrong with that. But this isn't a religious discussion. They've got a separate forum for that.

So only the LDS can determine or provide ones "Eternal Salvation" for these kids????

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by OhYaImThatChick

I've had many friends & family whom are and then also with the whole Blacks not being allowed in their church for years should put a bad taste in any AA's mouth.

You are wrong. There was never a time when Blacks were not allowed to join the Church. There was never a time when our worship services were segregated. Joseph Smith was staunchly opposed to slavery. If you're going to make statements like the one you just did, you need to get your facts straight. Otherwise, you'll just be spotted immediately as an uninformed Mormon hater (instead of just an informed Mormon hater). Get back to me when you've done your research and we can talk more.

[Lmejh]

Originally Posted by OhYaImThatChick

So only the LDS can determine or provide ones "Eternal Salvation" for these kids????

Well, that's their belief. That's one reason they adopt these kids, along with making sure they don't have to suffer in some Godforsaken orphanage. You know, some Mormons have good intentions too...

[OhYaImThatChick]

Originally Posted by Lmejh

Well, that's their belief. That's one reason they adopt these kids, along with making sure they don't have to suffer in some Godforsaken orphanage. You know, some Mormons have good intentions too...

Okay so if they are not adopted by mormons they will never be saved?? Thats a bunch of BS a human can not be another humans savior! Yes, they may be able to "save" them from bad situations but only God & Jesus can provide Eternal Salvation by being saved.

Mormons that believe in doing good works to be saved need to read this!

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast.

And belive me Mormons like to boast about their good works they do. Ever time they donate money they put it on the news as a top story.When you truly do a good deed you should except nothing in return not even acknowledgment for it. Unless you need to show off to boast yourself up!

[OhYaImThatChick]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

You are wrong. There was never a time when Blacks were not allowed to join the Church. There was never a time when our worship services were segregated. Joseph Smith was staunchly opposed to slavery. If you're going to make statements like the one you just did, you need to get your facts straight. Otherwise, you'll just be spotted immediately as an uninformed Mormon hater (instead of just an informed Mormon hater). Get back to me when you've done your research and we can talk more.

Well Katzpur, It sounds as if your maybe a baby Mormon that hasn't done much History in the church. All these new "Revelations" the Church keeps having in a way call God a liar. They say God told them one thing and then when they get "heat" for it they change their mind and say God told them a new idea to believe in. Isn't this the same with Polygamy? Next your gonna tell me the Mormons didn't practice or start that either.........

In 1967 Ezra Taft Benson said, We can therefore see that when the Mormons came here to 'set up shop' in 1968, black skinned people could join the church but the 'priesthood' was denied to them because they were 'cursed.'

In 1978, the church abolished a long-standing practice that kept black men from seeking priesthoods and black women from participating in temple ceremonies. In 2006, Mormon president Gordon B. Hinckley publicly declared the faith open to all people.

In 1978 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was under increasing pressure by the US government to end its racist doctrine and teachings or lose its tax-free status. Additionally, the church leadership saw the expansion in countries such as Brazil to be one big embarrassment to them.

Here are 2 Mormon Scriptures that talk about blacks being "Unholy" or having "the mark of the beast"

Example 1: 2 Nephi 5: 21- 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Example 2: Alma 3: 6- 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'