Would we be insane to move to Provo? (Salt Lake City, Mona: hotels, house)
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I said "no" to the job, but now company has come back and proposed that I live in Salt Lake City and commute to Provo. Is that a reasonable commute?
It's pretty clear I have a lot to learn (sorry lisamike). I'm thinking of flying up this weekend.
I'd take that one. Sounds like they want you, try and work some perks in for yourself why you are at it.
Draper is near the point of the mountain and would be an easy commute. Cottonwood would also be a close to both the canyons and an easy commute. All imo of course.
You know, sometimes you go into a new place so positive that you're going to hate it, and so geared up for the worst that you actually find yourself pleasantly surprised. That could be the case for you.
Very good. We will also check out Daybreak and Cottonwood Heights. The latter was appealing to me anyway because it looks like it is in the direction of Snowbird....
At least somewhere on the boards I was reading less positive things about Draper.
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You know, sometimes you go into a new place so positive that you're going to hate it, and so geared up for the worst that you actually find yourself pleasantly surprised. That could be the case for you.
Very good. We will also check out Daybreak and Cottonwood Heights. The latter was appealing to me anyway because it looks like it is in the direction of Snowbird....
At least somewhere on the boards I was reading less positive things about Draper.
Yup.
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Don't sweat being closer to ski resorts....no matter where you live you'll be close....10 minute difference from Cottonwood Heights vs. Draper in terms of access to Snowbird and Alta...
But anything is ridiculously close to outdoor recreation whether that be skiing in the winter, hiking in the summer, fishing, camping, rock hounding...you'll be amazed at how easily accessible and how close it all is.
So, sugarhouse, avenues, foothills. These are pretty much the areas to stay in if we wanna be in an area comprable to where we are in suburbia, just outside la. Here in la, its not about distance, its about traffic, rudenesss, a whole misguided attitude of entitlement and narcism. Its like the doll we were planning to throw out, then wanted back when we found out next door would treasure it, then suddenly couldn't let it go. But we are in a nice area, school district 10 out of 10, ranked 4th in la county. Low crime, high standards for children in schools, parks scattered throughout, clean and well maintained. Variety, culture, in food, shopping, mom and pops places and the malls. Grocery stores within walking distance, options, options, options...people walk here, I walk here. I've got children, and largely stay in the area and am able to abandon the car and use my feet and stroller to do most of my errands, exercise, and playtime for the kids. That being said. When I want, I'm minutes, minutes from the mountains for a hike, 45 minutes to the beach, a blink away from downtown, chinatown, little tokyo...cultures, the pot, the wonderful melted, not melting pot. I love it, feed off it, learn from it and embrace it. For the most part, we are all trying to do the same thing which is the best we can. But stuff that I've heard about utah seems really discouraging. ( religion, wages, overpriced this, undervalued that, kids encouraged to have many kids...) I would call myself pretty liberal, maybe radical by others, but some of this just sounds like stupidity, ignorance, and fear based tactics for control, and well maintaining submissiveness) and yes I do understand that a degree of this does exists with other teachings religious or not, but well obviously the attitude seems to be an openess to be closed off? And yes I know what conservative means. Ahh I don't know. But the options in california seem to be at a standstill @ best careerwise for us, and well, its better than most. We're not on the streets, jobless, and being foreclosed on. But moving up the ladder might be a longer wait than we anticipated.
So the question after all that is...we all make sacrafices but which is more of a sacrafice? Stay in cali and wait a bit for the economy to recover, or delve into a possible oppurtunity awaiting us in utah? Help
By the way, I love to shop, and I heard it can be a problem. How is it if id be in the sugarhouse area?
So, sugarhouse, avenues, foothills. These are pretty much the areas to stay in if we wanna be in an area comprable to where we are in suburbia, just outside la. Here in la, its not about distance, its about traffic, rudenesss, a whole misguided attitude of entitlement and narcism. Its like the doll we were planning to throw out, then wanted back when we found out next door would treasure it, then suddenly couldn't let it go. But we are in a nice area, school district 10 out of 10, ranked 4th in la county. Low crime, high standards for children in schools, parks scattered throughout, clean and well maintained. Variety, culture, in food, shopping, mom and pops places and the malls. Grocery stores within walking distance, options, options, options...people walk here, I walk here. I've got children, and largely stay in the area and am able to abandon the car and use my feet and stroller to do most of my errands, exercise, and playtime for the kids. That being said. When I want, I'm minutes, minutes from the mountains for a hike, 45 minutes to the beach, a blink away from downtown, chinatown, little tokyo...cultures, the pot, the wonderful melted, not melting pot. I love it, feed off it, learn from it and embrace it. For the most part, we are all trying to do the same thing which is the best we can. But stuff that I've heard about utah seems really discouraging. ( religion, wages, overpriced this, undervalued that, kids encouraged to have many kids...) I would call myself pretty liberal, maybe radical by others, but some of this just sounds like stupidity, ignorance, and fear based tactics for control, and well maintaining submissiveness) and yes I do understand that a degree of this does exists with other teachings religious or not, but well obviously the attitude seems to be an openess to be closed off? And yes I know what conservative means. Ahh I don't know. But the options in california seem to be at a standstill @ best careerwise for us, and well, its better than most. We're not on the streets, jobless, and being foreclosed on. But moving up the ladder might be a longer wait than we anticipated.
So the question after all that is...we all make sacrafices but which is more of a sacrafice? Stay in cali and wait a bit for the economy to recover, or delve into a possible oppurtunity awaiting us in utah? Help
By the way, I love to shop, and I heard it can be a problem. How is it if id be in the sugarhouse area?
It will be years until CA recovers, even then the recovery will not be strong. Demographically (age) CA is going to be hurting for a decade or longer. Utah is the opposite of that, it will thrive when the economy turns around. This is one of the reasons I moved from so cal.
I am a live and let live kind of person and I think it is great here, I really don't notice all of the negatives some people focus on. We have friends who are former Hollywood union liberals and they love it also. Come and check it out a couple times.
My wife loves to shop and she have had no problem doing so here. Darn it!
Woke up to see the hills. More exactly, W woke me up to see the hills by bouncing on the bed and saying "you see the hills? you see the hills?"!!
We do indeed have a great view of the mountains, so that led to some changed plans: Sugar House for light breakfast, then off to Park City for lunch, then take back road to Provo, then Provo back to town.
Drove around Sugar House area. Nice, maybe a bit quiet. We were hoping to find a density of chic restaurants, but apparently we missed at least a few. Did stop off for coffee in area around BarnesNoble E 2100, althogh that area didn't have the atmosphere that we were expecting. Highlight was a greasy quesadilla from a Mexican street vendor. Asked around and they directed us to 1700 area, but nothing much there either, tried out a quick detour through Milllcreek, Holladay and Cottonwood Heights. Couldn't find a "center" of those places either? So off to Park City we went.
Did I mention the mountains are stunning? Put us in a great mood. Then seeing all of the skiers put us in an even better mood. Would have been nice to just blow off this house hunting nonsense and just stay in PKC. Settled into Easy Street Brasserie and lingered over lazy lunch. Eavesdropped on the "locals" at the bar chatting about plans for Sundance. Stayed yet longer for dessert. We recommend the bread pudding! Quick bit of souvenir shopping for W and time to go explore more Utah.
I had chosen the 189 route into Provo to not have to do just a U-turn on I-15. Glad we did. Beautiful. Amazing geological structres and snow just made them prettier. Contrary to what I'd read, I found only good drivers. Essentially all of them pulled over to the right lane to let us pass whenever they were going slower than us, and we returned the courtesy to those behind us. One police car on road was out with laser gun but no problems. Drive was gorgeous. Twisty windy roads. I was missing having my own car.
Then there was Provo. Went through BYU area but didn't slow down, which pretty much popped us out of the bottom of Provo, so time to head home. Drive back on I-15 was not very scenic in comparison. Traffic was good. Almost scary. We were all belting along at 70-80 in fairly dense traffic. Very smooth, don't think I touched brakes once, but I'd hate to think what would happen if one person made a mistake. Took 40 minutes from south of Provo to the Grand America's. Bet that wont be like that on Monday rush hour !!
Did not see anything in Provo that would make me change my mind about not living there....
Woke up to see the hills. More exactly, W woke me up to see the hills by bouncing on the bed and saying "you see the hills? you see the hills?"!!
We do indeed have a great view of the mountains, so that led to some changed plans: Sugar House for light breakfast, then off to Park City for lunch, then take back road to Provo, then Provo back to town.
Drove around Sugar House area. Nice, maybe a bit quiet. We were hoping to find a density of chic restaurants, but apparently we missed at least a few. Did stop off for coffee in area around BarnesNoble E 2100, althogh that area didn't have the atmosphere that we were expecting. Highlight was a greasy quesadilla from a Mexican street vendor. Asked around and they directed us to 1700 area, but nothing much there either, tried out a quick detour through Milllcreek, Holladay and Cottonwood Heights. Couldn't find a "center" of those places either? So off to Park City we went.
Did I mention the mountains are stunning? Put us in a great mood. Then seeing all of the skiers put us in an even better mood. Would have been nice to just blow off this house hunting nonsense and just stay in PKC. Settled into Easy Street Brasserie and lingered over lazy lunch. Eavesdropped on the "locals" at the bar chatting about plans for Sundance. Stayed yet longer for dessert. We recommend the bread pudding! Quick bit of souvenir shopping for W and time to go explore more Utah.
I had chosen the 189 route into Provo to not have to do just a U-turn on I-15. Glad we did. Beautiful. Amazing geological structres and snow just made them prettier. Contrary to what I'd read, I found only good drivers. Essentially all of them pulled over to the right lane to let us pass whenever they were going slower than us, and we returned the courtesy to those behind us. One police car on road was out with laser gun but no problems. Drive was gorgeous. Twisty windy roads. I was missing having my own car.
Then there was Provo. Went through BYU area but didn't slow down, which pretty much popped us out of the bottom of Provo, so time to head home. Drive back on I-15 was not very scenic in comparison. Traffic was good. Almost scary. We were all belting along at 70-80 in fairly dense traffic. Very smooth, don't think I touched brakes once, but I'd hate to think what would happen if one person made a mistake. Took 40 minutes from south of Provo to the Grand America's. Bet that wont be like that on Monday rush hour !!
Did not see anything in Provo that would make me change my mind about not living there....
Time to meet up with some locals...
If you watch the Food Network and enjoy the show Diners, Drive-ins and Dives you can go to six places he has featured. One we really enjoy is the Lone Star Taquiera 2265 Fort Union Boulevard Salt Lake City, UT 84121.
Ruth's Diner
2100 Emigration Canyon
Salt Lake City, UT 84108
Pat's BBQ
155 West Commonwealth
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
Blue Plate Diner
2041 S 2100 E
Salt Lake City, UT 84108
Tel: (801) 918-4925
Moochie's Meatballs
232 E 800 S.
Salt Lake City, UT 84111
Tel: (801) 364-0232
We like Moochies also for a quick bite.
Red Iguana
736 W North Temple
Salt Lake City, UT 84116
Tel: (801) 322-1489
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Glad you are enjoying beautiful Utah. I was a little nervous you were maybe going to find Sugarhouse a bit less stimulating - maybe not quite what you had been expecting. It definitely is not a dense center for chic restaurants. Like I said before, there are great spots all over but not densely packed. You may try Market Street for brunch downtown tomorrow AM. It is not far from where you are staying - it has a good atmosphere and pretty good food for the money. It is joined with the Oyster Bar which was the place to hang out when I was in college. When you say "chic" restaurants, I think Baci, the New Yorker, Pierpont (they are Gastronomy restaurants) and they are downtown. If you like Brew Pubs, there are several local ones (Squatters and the one I really enjoy "The Pub" which is in Trolley Square (700 East/500 South). Have a great day tomorrow.
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