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Old 04-14-2018, 05:38 PM
Location: WA
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Originally Posted by cdelena View Post
Light rail that competes with surface traffic is hardly 'mass' transit, just an expensive alternative. Dedicated lines coupled with bus routes serve movement better but the expense of implementation in a crowded exiting environment is usually cost prohibitive.

A long term issue... and the a current plan of tolls on existing roads a disservice to the public.
Agree 100%.

Regarding light rail. There are a lot of places where it the existing system competes with surface traffic but theoretically wouldn't need to if the streets were just closed and cars routed elsewhere. It's the compromise with car traffic (and pedestrians) that makes things slow. The yellow line along Interstate Ave has car lanes along the sides. They could improve train speed by getting rid of all the left turn lanes along Interstate Ave and separating the track grades with barriers so the trains could run faster and there are less places where pedestrians and bikes can walk in front of the trains. The people who live along Interstate would definitely scream. But they could probably squeeze in two extra train lines and still have enough room for a narrow access road on each side to access all the properties along Interstate. Then we could have higher-speed express trains zooming into central Portland from outer Vancouver and then the slower local trains on separate tracks servicing all the local stops. That is exactly how the NYC subway works with both express and local trains.

That's the sort of thing that Vancouver should be pushing for if/when the system finally gets tied into Clark County. Don't just add new stops to the ends of the existing lines to service Clark County. Instead, demand improvements along the entire lengh of the system that will benefit longer distance Clark County commuters if they are going to be buying in with a major investment. That's the kind of thing that will be necessary to get Clark County commuters out of their cars. Not a 50 minute train ride through North Portland that stops every 5 blocks.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:30 AM
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Electric cars are here. And many more models are coming from the bigs (Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, Audi, Nissan, Toyota, etc.). Fully autonomous AI will be here shortly. There are some amazing systems out right now, and they are going to rapidly get better.

All of this will render most proposed rail systems irrelevant. Rail is super-expensive to build, staff, and maintain. And even more difficult to update; extending track or building new stations is almost impossible in urban environments. And rail will never, ever solve the "final mile" problem, which really should be renamed the twenty-mile problem. No train will take you to your final destination unless it's located within walking distance of the station -- meaning we will always need cars and roads.

Electric vehicle AI solves all of this. Point-to-point pickup and delivery, for a fraction of rail's cost. Building and maintaining roads, orders of magnitude cheaper than rail. EV AI cars can be updated over-the-air, which means they can be constantly improved. And with improved AI, you can also greatly reduce traffic congestion by proper rerouting, orderly lane merging, reducing accidents (a huge traffic problem), constant speed and traffic flow, etc.

And we may very well have systems where you can simply hail an autonomous car (with fully autonomous pickup and delivery) and pay per ride, instead of having to buy a car, register it, insure it, maintain it. I hate owning a car -- you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a depreciating "asset" that spends at least 95% of its time parked. This is a massive waste of money: pay tens of thousands of dollars for a device that sits idle the vast majority of the time, and we have to insure this waste.

So, trains and their vast infrastructure are an enormous waste of money, and you still need cars and roads, a problem trains will never solve. Car ownership also is a waste. Vastly superior tech that solves these problems is nearly here, and it's only going to get much better.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:34 PM
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Oregon already taxes the income of Washington residents that work in Oregon and that should be sufficient to relieve traffic congestion.
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