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Old 04-05-2013, 12:55 PM
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Location: Georgia
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For me, the big problem with fish is that there is no such thing as harvesting fish without causing suffering. I'm better than a bear, and so I can be more compassionate to fish than bears can. However, it is obviously more tenuous a thing than eating a mammal (even though, arguably, humans technically could dispatch mammals without causing suffering, if they were so inclined).

Incidentally, I also grew up on Long Island, along the south shore of Nassau County.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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For me, the big problem with fish is that there is no such thing as harvesting fish without causing suffering. I'm better than a bear, and so I can be more compassionate to fish than bears can. However, it is obviously more tenuous a thing than eating a mammal (even though, arguably, humans technically could dispatch mammals without causing suffering, if they were so inclined).

Incidentally, I also grew up on Long Island, along the south shore of Nassau County.
I just feel that we have such a wide variety of foods that are flavorful, colorful, nutritious, healthy, and delicious that don't involve causing pain or suffering to animals that it isn't necessary to eat meat. Even fish and shellfish.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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The way I look at is that you're either vegetarian or you're not.
If you eat fish/meat, you're not a vegetarian.
No value judgement, it is what it is.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:40 AM
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Of course, but don't forget that there is some dispute about where the line is. You wrote "fish/meat", and I think the vast majority of vegetarians will recognize your criteria as valid. But note that you didn't include shellfish (and if you think "fish" implies "shellfish" then you need to read-up on basic zoology). Nor did you include mollusks. A good argument can be made for calling anyone who doesn't eat chordates or doesn't eat deuterostomes a "vegetarian".
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: OCNJ and or lower Florida keys
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Tofu!!
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:23 AM
 
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The way I look at is that you're either vegetarian or you're not.
If you eat fish/meat, you're not a vegetarian.
No value judgement, it is what it is.

Yeah, I get really annoyed when people say, "I am a vegetarian but I do eat fish," or "I am a vegetarian who eats chicken."

I had a coworker who proudly proclaimed to everyone in the office that she was vegan but she ate bacon, frequently. When people asked her about the bacon she just defended it as her "only vice."

One of my current coworkers is about 5 ft tall and has to weight over 300 pounds. Yet she talks endlessly about her vegetarian lifestyle. Whenever someone invites her to order lunch or have a slice of pizza she says, "Remember, I am the Veg-head." Every day for lunch she opens a big bag (12 or 14 ounces, not single-serving size) of potato chips or cheese curls and dips them into a container of ranch dip. She eats all the chips and dip, every day, and that is her lunch. So then others in the office talk about how unhealthy the vegetarian lifestyle is, or comment on how fat vegetarians are. Very annoying.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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I've never seen a fat vegetarian.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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For me, the big problem with fish is that there is no such thing as harvesting fish without causing suffering. I'm better than a bear, and so I can be more compassionate to fish than bears can. However, it is obviously more tenuous a thing than eating a mammal (even though, arguably, humans technically could dispatch mammals without causing suffering, if they were so inclined).

Incidentally, I also grew up on Long Island, along the south shore of Nassau County.
North Shore of Nassau here.

I agree. Just thinking out loud. There are people who don't care how an animal is killed, and there are still others who actually take pleasure in killing animals. Many find their way to work in slaughter houses, as I am sure you already know.

I was living on the South Shore of Suffolk when I became a vegetarian. ( West Islip) but originally from Oyster Bay. Moved to Stony Brook as an adult. Now I'm in Ohio.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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I've never seen a fat vegetarian.
I have. The vegetarians in question ate a LOT of junk food, tons of carbs (they always had huge amounts of pasta and/or rice at meals).
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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I've never seen a fat vegetarian.
I have. Dairy is included in the "vegetarian" diet. Loads of fat in it. As far as carbs, Asian countries eat lots of rice and their population weighs less than Americans.
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