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Old 01-09-2014, 06:01 AM
 
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Ever seen a battery cage?

A milk facility?

I don't agree that cage-free means the birds still suffer, though. Look for Certified Humane, which means the hens have room to move about, engage in natural behaviors, and a life free from brutality. However, the fact remains that only hens lay eggs, so roosters die.

As for milk and milk products, I really don't know of any cow's milk that is Certified Humane, but I could be wrong. I'm only familiar with goat's milk that is Certified Humane.

I do still eat eggs (Pete and Gerry's, occasionally Nellie's if the grocery is out of Pete and Gerry's, both are Certified Humane), and I rarely will buy milk, where the best I can do is organic. I wish there was a decent cheese substitute, but I've yet to find one that doesn't make me gag.

Osteoporosis also runs in my family, so I need to get calcium from somewhere, and what there is in plants isn't enough. It's a decision that weighs on my conscience, but with kidney stones running in my family, getting calcium from a pill isn't the wisest move for me.

And no, I don't want to hear any judgments from vegans, so kindly do refrain. I do the best I can.
Random checks of so-called "certified humane" egg facilities have yielded many horror stories. These included Pete and Gerry's farmers. I no longer use eggs, and I was using Pete and Gerry's.

Not being judgmental, just giving the info.
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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I try not to eat red meat, but I love to eat eggs - fried, scrambled, steamed by itself or incorporated into other dishes. I eat red meat probably about once a month and then a small portion. I prefer to eat fish. I have a question that I wondered about for some time - they say that India has the highest rate of coronary disease. I know that most people in India do not eat beef, and I would think they would have very low rates of heart disease. Isn't the diet in India mainly vegetarian? I was very confused when I read this a while ago.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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II have a question that I wondered about for some time - they say that India has the highest rate of coronary disease.
Who says? India has lower rates of heart disease than most developed countries, but their rates have increased as their diet has changed.

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I know that most people in India do not eat beef, and I would think they would have very low rates of heart disease. Isn't the diet in India mainly vegetarian? I was very confused when I read this a while ago.
Most people in India aren't vegetarian.....and dairy can contain just as much saturated fat and cholesterol as beef so, as far as heart disease goes, you shouldn't expect to see much of a difference between the two.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:16 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The fact remains that many cereals, breads and other processed foods are a significant source of unhealthy oils; and these oils don't have to be large in weight in order to be destructive:
This isn't a fact....While some processed foods contain large amounts of omega-6 rich oils, cereals and breads are typically not one of them. Breads usually contain little to no oils and cereals only small amounts, avoiding these foods isn't going to change your omega-3/omega-6 ratio much.
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Old 01-10-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Please, keep the recipes and ideas coming, and thanks for condolences on our cat.



Here he was several years ago. He's a Maine Coon obviously.
Sorry to go off topic, but our cat, we had to take him to have him put to sleep this last Saturday.

He got to where he couldn't hardly walk, fell over in the cat box, and at the end, he just couldn't swallow even water any more.

I had to drive my wife and that poor cat to our vet, they gave him a shot while we held him and his heart stopped before she loosened up the turniquet thing. It was about 2 seconds. Then back home where I had to put him in a hole I'd dug and had to set him in there, cover him with a towel and filled that in while it was snowing. We've been sad for days, but the final stages of grief came quick.

Should we feel bad we already got a new cat? We got him from the adoption place yesterday;


Trouble - YouTube

Anyway, I'm down to 205.8 lbs now. Feeling good.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Lactose intolerant people aren't falling over everywhere breaking their bones. Calcium is easily gotten from other sources.

I agree with you about finding a decent cheese substitute. Yuk!
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Not enough in plants? Plants are the best source of calcium, in particular leafy greens that are low in oxalate (e.g., kale, collard greens, etc). Not only do these contain a lot of calcium, but the calcium is absorbed at a rate that is ~50% higher than dairy.
Not for me, it's not. Trust me on this. I've tried, the results were not good, and my doctor was not happy.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Random checks of so-called "certified humane" egg facilities have yielded many horror stories. These included Pete and Gerry's farmers. I no longer use eggs, and I was using Pete and Gerry's.

Not being judgmental, just giving the info.
Like I said, we do what we can.

FWIW, there is no such thing as a vegan lifestyle. If you take a drug, you've harmed an animal. If you use motor oil, you've harmed an animal. Eat anything with white sugar in it? You've harmed an animal. Use fabric softener? You've harmed an animal. Cosmetics go without saying, but same for shampoo and conditioner. Beer and wine? You've harmed an animal. Bicycle or car tires? Animal. Use anything held together with glue? Animal. Watch fireworks? Animal.

11 Items Weirdly Made From Animal Parts - Fabric softeners, cigarettes, sugar, and other meaty products

9 Surprising Items Made With Animal Ingredients

Just passing along information. We may choose not to eat animals or animal products, but whether we like it or not, unless we live off the land, barefoot, in a cabin on Walden, our modern lifestyle causes animal suffering. I minimize where I can, do not eat birds or animals, go organic where possible, do not buy leather, and stick to Certified Humane eggs because at least there are no battery cages. I mean, if you want to go to the extreme, most farmers wear leather boots and belts. Where do "vegan" choices end? Tough call. So most people I know who self-identify as vegetarians avoid meat and poultry and try to be conscientious about everything else.

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Old 01-10-2014, 04:06 PM
 
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Sorry to go off topic, but our cat, we had to take him to have him put to sleep this last Saturday.

He got to where he couldn't hardly walk, fell over in the cat box, and at the end, he just couldn't swallow even water any more.

I had to drive my wife and that poor cat to our vet, they gave him a shot while we held him and his heart stopped before she loosened up the turniquet thing. It was about 2 seconds. Then back home where I had to put him in a hole I'd dug and had to set him in there, cover him with a towel and filled that in while it was snowing. We've been sad for days, but the final stages of grief came quick.

Should we feel bad we already got a new cat? We got him from the adoption place yesterday;


Trouble - YouTube

Anyway, I'm down to 205.8 lbs now. Feeling good.
Bummer about your cat- we've had to do it with our pets & know the heartbreak well. Welcome to new kitty as life goes on. Enjoy!
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Old 01-10-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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Very sorry about the cat but let's try to stay on topic.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Not for me, it's not. Trust me on this. I've tried, the results were not good, and my doctor was not happy.
You hear similar things about meat, people claim that they just *need* meat for protein, but we know that people don't and we also know that people don't need dairy for calcium and, not only that, but calcium isn't even the best source of calcium. But most people aren't eating enough green vegetables to meet their calcium needs and they usually prefer to get it from sugary/fatty dairy foods.

In any case, obviously humans don't need the milk of another animal to meet their nutrient needs so dairy can hardly be justified on nutritional grounds.
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