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Old 04-18-2008, 01:42 PM
 
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Fat Freddy
What I do have a problem with is anyone who thinks that their particular lifestyle or opinions should apply to anyone other than themselves.
Very well said. I agree 100%, but I still have a problem w/radicals.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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Well, if we stopped eating them, their current large populations would only grow, not diminish. The fact that we process them into meat reduces their numbers in and of itself. If we didn't, what would happen?
Do you really believe that if there was no market for meat the livestock population would increase?

Who you do think would feed them?

Where would they live?

Do you foresee huge herds of wild beef cattle roaming the lands, devouring suburban lawns and golf courses, or giant flocks of chickens roosting in the trees taking over the city parks and laying eggs in the swing sets and sand boxes?
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Do you really believe that if there was no market for meat the livestock population would increase?

Who you do think would feed them?

Where would they live?

Do you foresee huge herds of wild beef cattle roaming the lands, devouring suburban lawns and golf courses, or giant flocks of chickens roosting in the trees taking over the city parks and laying eggs in the swing sets and sand boxes?
They'd live right where they live now. As far as sheep...they tend to roam large tracts of land. Unless you're suggesting a mass slaughter...and then what do you do with them? What...scavengers...would be able to get rid of all those carcasses fast enough to NOT sicken humans living nearby.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:17 PM
 
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Can you really consider man a "predator"? I mean the animals don't really have a chance. They're born and raised and then eaten. There isn't any competition there.
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Old 04-29-2008, 07:37 PM
 
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Man is a predator. If not, our eyes would be on the side of our heads, seriously. If "competition" were what sets predators from prey, then everything would be a "predator".

As always, posting w/a smile. It's fun to debate.

Later Tomcat.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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Many animals that aren't predatory still have their eyes in front of them, and many predatory animals have their eyes to the sides. It's really an irrelevant point.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I just have a rule that if I can't kill it myself, I won't eat it. So while I don't eat much meat (mostly because of environmental concerns), I only eat fish, chicken, and turkey. I don't think I could take out a cow. :P

I do wish Americans ate more insects, though. Due to my heath issues, I need lots of protein to feel on top of things and it would be nice to be able to make a nice cricket taco. Luckily I'll be studying in Southern Mexico next fall and I'll have as many of those little protein filled critters as my heart desires! And there's nothing cruel about squashing a bug, is there? Most of my vegan friends even throw shoes at spiders in their rooms. I think that hurts their feelings.

Well..I have a whole yard full of them...help yourself! They are eating my flowerbeds out of house and home...
Especially grasshoppers....darn things
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Old 09-15-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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This is no longer a debate between vegetarians and vegans - it has been hijacked by the omnivores.
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Old 09-16-2008, 02:21 AM
 
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This is no longer a debate between vegetarians and vegans - it has been hijacked by the omnivores.
There was one Moderator who thought this whole idea of a Vegan/Vegetarian forum would need some healthy intervention "... to keep it from turning into a bunch of "I sure do like steak, h'yuck h'yuck" and "We have incisors so vegetarians are wrong" coupled with the "bloodmouth!" responses. " (Although, I've never called or thought anyone was a "bloodmouth" - )

I am grateful that we have a vegan/vegetarian forum to begin with, and the idea of sharing healthful, nutrious, non-meat based food ideas is great. I check all the food forums for good recipes, and adjust them quite easily.

Anway, I'm no saint in this department, but some folks are utterly incapable of controlling themselves, and find it impossible to discuss issues in a civil manner.

Again, and again, I don't know why some people find vegetarianism or veganism so very threatening. Is it just a case of people wanting to preach to others or some kind of a cult thing? No scared, and no crickets !!!

Last edited by Wicked Felina; 09-16-2008 at 02:23 AM.. Reason: spelling
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Old 09-16-2008, 05:13 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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There was one Moderator who thought this whole idea of a Vegan/Vegetarian forum would need some healthy intervention "... to keep it from turning into a bunch of "I sure do like steak, h'yuck h'yuck" and "We have incisors so vegetarians are wrong" coupled with the "bloodmouth!" responses. " (Although, I've never called or thought anyone was a "bloodmouth" - )

I am grateful that we have a vegan/vegetarian forum to begin with, and the idea of sharing healthful, nutrious, non-meat based food ideas is great. I check all the food forums for good recipes, and adjust them quite easily.

Anway, I'm no saint in this department, but some folks are utterly incapable of controlling themselves, and find it impossible to discuss issues in a civil manner.

Again, and again, I don't know why some people find vegetarianism or veganism so very threatening. Is it just a case of people wanting to preach to others or some kind of a cult thing? No scared, and no crickets !!!
Shoot...there goes one easy solution to my yard being cricket-grasshopper free...
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