Do any other veges hate PETA? (fast food, chinese, expensive, restaurants)

[Maine Writer]

What cr1039 posted is not unusual. As a matter of policy, there are huge farms in China (and other countries) where workers don't even bother to try and kill an animal before skinning it, boiling it, etc. I don't think any one country is exempt...might be illegal, but who's going to stop it?

I lived in the Philippines. I remember seeing dogs in cages at the open air market. I have great respect for other cultures but no culture should allow that kind of treatment.

[Capt. Cave Man]

Originally Posted by SeeBee

I agree, Capt. But what do you mean by, "as what is shown?"

Where's ArticHomesteader? I know that he traps, perhaps he could input here. I, in no way, agree with trapping, but he doesn't sound like some kind of a cruel extremist to me. And, he can carry on a literate conversation without name-calling, screaming ~

Amen to learning and understanding. That's what I'm here for, anyway!

What I mean is that the media most often shows people doing wrong things that does not reflect what the majority of people are doing.

Am I make'n sense? I have examples, but they are not related to this thread.

[Wicked Felina]

Originally Posted by Maine Writer

I lived in the Philippines. I remember seeing dogs in cages at the open air market. I have great respect for other cultures but no culture should allow that kind of treatment.

This kind of stuff is what I'm talking about here. What a sad memory.

Originally Posted by Capt. Cave Man

What I mean is that the media most often shows people doing wrong things that does not reflect what the majority of people are doing.
Am I make'n sense? I have examples, but they are not related to this thread.

OK, I understand. Like when folks talk about nothing but Peta if you so much as bring up humane treatment and abstaining from meat or animal products. Gotcha' !!! Me, too, with the examples...but I think SMG'd smack us down if we threw out too many ~

[Capt. Cave Man]

Originally Posted by SeeBee

This kind of stuff is what I'm talking about here. What a sad memory.



OK, I understand. Like when folks talk about nothing but Peta if you so much as bring up humane treatment and abstaining from meat or animal products. Gotcha' !!! Me, too, with the examples...but I think SMG'd smack us down if we threw out too many ~

No, sorry but not at all what I meant.

Your right, you "got me".

[Wicked Felina]

OK,...apologies. I have no idea what you meant, then. Sorry.

[cr1039]

Originally Posted by Capt. Cave Man

What I mean is that the media most often shows people doing wrong things that does not reflect what the majority of people are doing.

Am I make'n sense? I have examples, but they are not related to this thread.

Perhaps, but nobody can deny they fact that any business that uses factory farming , as an example, is in fact doing something wrong.

And as a fact, the majority of meat that is imported to America or the meat that is developed in this country IS from factory farmed animals.

Animals who were injected with hormones, lived in feces, had their young weaned from them too early, was transported in cramped and painful situations, was slaughtered in horrible ways - either shot in the head, beheaded, hung upside down etc.

So there is my example of yes, most animals that are being served on a person's plate are from factory farms. That is the majority. On the other hand, an animal that was raised and slaughtered on site is in the minority.


I can compare your idea though to say, kids being left in cars by daycare workers. Not all daycare workers leave kids in cars. Even if the media makes a sacred parent think that it can happen anytime and anywhere just because three stories were shown on "60 Minutes".

Is is FACT vs FEAR.

[Capt. Cave Man]

Originally Posted by SeeBee

OK,...apologies. I have no idea what you meant, then. Sorry.

NO, I don't know what I was thinking when I read your reply. I understand what you are say'n now. I apologize for "take'n" it wrong.

[Capt. Cave Man]

Originally Posted by cr1039

Perhaps, but nobody can deny they fact that any business that uses factory farming , as an example, is in fact doing something wrong.

And as a fact, the majority of meat that is imported to America or the meat that is developed in this country IS from factory farmed animals.

Animals who were injected with hormones, lived in feces, had their young weaned from them too early, was transported in cramped and painful situations, was slaughtered in horrible ways - either shot in the head, beheaded, hung upside down etc.

So there is my example of yes, most animals that are being served on a person's plate are from factory farms. That is the majority. On the other hand, an animal that was raised and slaughtered on site is in the minority.


I can compare your idea though to say, kids being left in cars by daycare workers. Not all daycare workers leave kids in cars. Even if the media makes a sacred parent think that it can happen anytime and anywhere just because three stories were shown on "60 Minutes".

Is is FACT vs FEAR.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "factory farms", but I think I have a good idea. It is your opinion that they are wrong, it is not a fact. I can understand why you think they are wrong, but I will give you some examples of why it is not.

- Livestock is kept in fences as to protect them from predators, and to protect them from getting on a road where they could get killed or kill someone. Mt. lions and coyotes have been known to take down a "lagger"(as we call them) so they are safer in large groups. They also stay warmer in the winter.

- Many times the young are weaned early due to the health of the mother, or the mother is not "doing her job". Weather also plays a big role in saving the young.

- As far as the slaughtering of the animals, that is one I really don't want to get into........touchy subject. The only "thing" I can honestly say "doesn't matter" has to do w/lobsters. They are a "bug", right "above" the cockroach, and who hasn't killed a cockroach.

Right on w/the 60 minute storys! You can't ban/bash a group cause a few do things wrong(cough, clears throat...f.farming cough, clears throat)

BTW, I'm all smiles as I hope you are. I hope to "teach" as I also hope to learn.
Later

[Wicked Felina]

Originally Posted by Capt. Cave Man

...The only "thing" I can honestly say "doesn't matter" has to do w/lobsters. They are a "bug", right "above" the cockroach, and who hasn't killed a cockroach.

I was kind of on the fence about this, even though I haven't eaten lobster for years. Then, I read this:

Consider the Lobster: 2000s Archive : gourmet.com.

Whether one agrees or disagrees, this is a brilliant read, and a brilliant writer.

[Capt. Cave Man]

Originally Posted by SeeBee

I was kind of on the fence about this, even though I haven't eaten lobster for years. Then, I read this:

Consider the Lobster: 2000s Archive : gourmet.com.

Whether one agrees or disagrees, this is a brilliant read, and a brilliant writer.

I don't know how to add a link, but google "do lobsters feel pain" and read the cbs report.

What we have here is that you believe one thing, and I believe another(and it goes beyond lobsters). You believe what you think is right and disagree w/something that goes against what you believe.......I am the same way.

We both want to "teach" the other that what we think/believe is right, but we both have different views. It is frustrating isn't it? But we believe what we believe, and we can't change that. Thank God this isn't about religion, eh?

My main point of visiting the veg forum is to show that not everyone is like what you see on the net/tv. It won't convince you but it may make me feel better that I got the word out.

"I am at the top of the food chain, and I have a responsibility." Taken both ways(in our case). BTW - the author is a great guy.

I wish you the best, and want you to stay true to your beliefs, no matter what anyone says or does.

Capt.