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Old 05-08-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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I know there are more specific forums about this, but they tend to be pretty inflammatory. The "vegan-nazis" and all. Has anyone been a long-time vegetarian or vegan and started eating meat again? Why? How did you adapt and how did you feel (both mentally and physically)?

I've been vegetarian for roughly 20 years, and vegan for the past five. I have felt very healthy up until about a year ago when I started putting some pieces together and am suspecting I have developed wheat intolerance and beginning signs of Celiac disease. This is a huge blow to both my lifestyle and my diet, and in addition to the physical problems I am depressed about it as well. Due to the loss of nutrients and calories I was getting with wheat products I am not feeling or looking well. I am considering eating meat (either free range poultry or non-hatchery fish) in small portions a few times a week to see if there is a noticeable change. This is very hard for me to do.

Please share your stories about why you went from vegetarian to eating meat, and do you feel better for it.
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Old 05-08-2009, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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I'm so sorry to hear you are having health problems. I wouldn't hold it against you if you wanted to try some scallops or something to see if you felt better. But first, are you eating enough legumes and soy-based foods?
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:01 AM
 
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I do hope you find a good balance for your diet! I have been on and off fish throughout the years. I just have an easier time eating fish regarding the yuck factor. My friend was a vegetarian, but through several different pressures, eats meat now, but still tries to avoid it. Eating chicken and turkey is easier for her than beef, which she usually avoids at all costs. I think she just tried not to think about it and having those outside pressures (work, family) helped that. She is happy to have us as friends now, because she is creating more vegetarian meals and all of our dinners together are vegetarian. At this point, she feels frustrated that she doesn't have more support in her family for the vegetarian options, though. I really think she wants to go back.

Have you tried working with a nutritionalist/dietician (or similiar specialist) that is vegan friendly? Try searching for one that you feel comfortable working with and lay out a plan with her. I've never seen one, but this is an instance which I probably would.

Above all--your health is the most important. I think having a deep respect for our food--veggies or meat--is the most important. I don't doubt you have that.
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Old 05-09-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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Isn't there a test for Celiac disease? Or what if there was something else wrong? The decision to be vegetarian or vegan is your own. But, if you have been following this lifestyle for so many years without issue, I would see a doctor before making any life changing decisions that could make an underlying issue better or it might make it worse.

I know that isn't a response to your question, but I did want to throw my concern your way.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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Be sure to supplement B12 and balance out amino acids and minerals that are not as available from veggies, such as iodine and carnitine. Too much soy is not good, some other protein sources may be worth trying (hemp powder, eggs). Another source of food intolerances is intestinal candida, as it can interfere with absorption and enzymes and cause 'leaky gut' syndrome.

Candida vs. Gluten Intolerance Symptoms
Candida and Food Intolerances
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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why not try a different source of protein like seaweed and try some algae juice or spirulina. they usually have amino acids and everything else. carbs should not be the majority of the diet like the traditional food pyramid says because it is just not as nutritious as most waterbased foods.

how about shellfish first before considering chicken or beef if you're not comfortable with it and see if it changes anything.
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Isn't there a test for Celiac disease? Or what if there was something else wrong? The decision to be vegetarian or vegan is your own. But, if you have been following this lifestyle for so many years without issue, I would see a doctor before making any life changing decisions that could make an underlying issue better or it might make it worse.

I know that isn't a response to your question, but I did want to throw my concern your way.
Celiac disease can appear even after years of eating wheat without a problem. I hope I never catch it, I like wheat too much.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I couldn't handle being vegetarian for more than a few months. I do feel that a mostly vegetarian diet is best, but we're omnivores. Eating meat is what lead to our evolution, and gave us the daily calories needed for brain development. Sure we may be able to mostly replace that with plant-based proteins, but I have a feeling that we're never going to get that balance quite right without supplementing some meat.

The way I transitioned was first with scallops and flaky white fish. Sushi is a great way to do it, because the raw fish is much easier on your stomach than cooked. The less processed, the better. Lean meat tends to make me feel the best. Three servings of protein a day, at about 2-4oz each is the best. That can come from meat, eggs, soy, cheese...ease into it, maybe only one serving from meat a day. Listen to your body, and if you think you should start eating some meat, then go ahead.
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Old 05-12-2009, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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I couldn't handle being vegetarian for more than a few months. I do feel that a mostly vegetarian diet is best, but we're omnivores. Eating meat is what lead to our evolution, and gave us the daily calories needed for brain development. Sure we may be able to mostly replace that with plant-based proteins, but I have a feeling that we're never going to get that balance quite right without supplementing some meat.

The way I transitioned was first with scallops and flaky white fish. Sushi is a great way to do it, because the raw fish is much easier on your stomach than cooked. The less processed, the better. Lean meat tends to make me feel the best. Three servings of protein a day, at about 2-4oz each is the best. That can come from meat, eggs, soy, cheese...ease into it, maybe only one serving from meat a day. Listen to your body, and if you think you should start eating some meat, then go ahead.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion (and lifestyle choice) but the American Dietetic Association states that a vegetarian diet can provide all of the nutrients you need to thrive.

As for diet and brain development, it may interest you to know that Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Pythagoras, Nikola Tesla, Henry David Thoreau, Leo Tolstoy, and others were vegetarians.

Also, comparative anatomical studies show that our bodies are more similar to other herbivores than they are to omnivores and carnivores in the animal kingdom.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:02 AM
 
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^also, especially for westerners could benefit greatly from a vegetarian or more vegetarian diet. unless you are out plowing the field every day, you just don't need the calories from a heavy meat diet. that's what's killing westerners now.

i mean there are asians who basically lived on some seafood, vegetables and a grain staple and were healthy. doesn't mean you actually have to eat a lot of meat like steak.

i would agree though that children usually benefit more from eating meat as they require a lot of calories, fats and protein for development.

but for adults, unless you are very active as in a job that requires you to move around a lot, not a desk job or are exercising there shouldn't be any dire feeling of needing meat. actually meat may hurt your health.

also, like i said if your vegetarian diet consists a lot of carbs, you will miss out on a lot of nutrition. best to keep the carbs at the most minimum.
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