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Old 06-12-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Look at this Premolar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It would appear that this dental arrangement would be good for masticating vegetable matter, and incisors would be needed for biting into a fruit. Yes there are vestigial canines but they are very reduced from carnivores' fangs. Humans evolved from earlier models. We have vestigial tail bones but no tails anymore, for example.
About vestigiality... I'm not sure that human canines are truly vestigial as they do have some function (we do use our canines). The appendix is also a vestigial structure that is a remnant of the cecum. The cecum in true herbivores serves as a "fermentation chamber" to break down cellulose from primarily herbivorous diets. What can you deduce about a creature who has abandoned this structure?
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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... The rub is that "meat-eating" does not equate to unnatural or unhealthy.
Neither does being a vegetarian or vegan.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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... Its not BS, but nor is it assured. Cross country runners and women on starvation diets will see the same interruption of the cycle. I'm sure you're aware that body fat below a certain threshold can cause amenorrhea and different women will respond differently to the complete absence of animal fats and proteins in the diet. "Didn't happen to me" isn't really a great argument either.
Per my doc, and I asked this of him a very long time ago, veganism is not the sole casual factor of illness in a healthy person. Nor does a complete lack of animal-derived proteins cause "interruption of the cycle" without some other mitigating health factor.

As far as "didn't happen to me" not being a great argument, I was trying to be facetious. "Didn't happen to me" is as equally feeble an argument as your saying "if that is such a natural diet, why does your body go into panic mode." The answer is, it doesn't. (I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "panic" though)

Sorry, I don't know what amenorrhea is.

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I concede that the baby died of parental stupidity (or worse)...I'm certainly not defending the modern unnatural diet by disagreeing that humans are naturally herbivorous. A diet largely consisting of pepsi foods products, wonder bread, and spray cheese is, to me anyway, considerably less natural than a vegan diet. You should be just as on the hook for making your child fat if you are not conscious of proper nutrition. The rub is that "meat-eating" does not equate to unnatural or unhealthy.
Thank you! Personally, I agree that "meat-eating" does not equate to an unnatural or unhealthy diet. Nor does a vegan or vegetarian diet.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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That's a logical fallacy though; just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
The fact that it didn't happen to me doesn't mean that it DOES happen, either. Really, pretty much anything CAN happen. I'd like to see proof of causality, i.e. a vegetarian diet causes amenorrhea (lack of a period).
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:41 PM
 
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I'd like to see proof of causality, i.e. a vegetarian diet causes amenorrhea (lack of a period).
...not going to happen.
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:11 PM
 
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...not going to happen.
Cheers. Enjoy your eggplant.
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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The fact that it didn't happen to me doesn't mean that it DOES happen, either. Really, pretty much anything CAN happen. I'd like to see proof of causality, i.e. a vegetarian diet causes amenorrhea (lack of a period).
The attached link will take you to an article written for American Fitness Magazine in 1999 by Michelle Malozzi. See the info down around the middle of the 1st page.

Fork In The Road | American Fitness | Find Articles at BNET

Not satisfied with the article? How about a study from the US National Library of Medicine. This is a bit more technical but look to the last 2 sentences for the proof you asked for.

Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body ...[Ann Nutr Metab. 1999] - PubMed Result
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:25 PM
 
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The attached link will take you to an article written for American Fitness Magazine in 1999 by Michelle Malozzi. See the info down around the middle of the 1st page.

Fork In The Road | American Fitness | Find Articles at BNET

Not satisfied with the article?
No, I'm not satisfied. I think the section you're referring to is this one:

Anemia, osteoporosis, muscle cramping and amenorrhea are also consequences of an inadequate vegetarian diet.

MY vegetarian diet is not inadequate. If you look closer to the beginning of the article, you'll see this comment:

Vegetarian diets such as the vegan, lacto, ovo-lacto and macrobiotic diets are very healthy if planned correctly.

And this one, from the same article (the bold face was added by me):

Researchers have long examined the reasons why amenorrhea and irregular menstrual cycles are so common among vegetarian groups compared to non-vegetarian groups (including athletes and sedentary individuals). A number of studies found that vegetarianism and amenorrhea were not related among athletic and non-athletic vegetarians. Could the missing link be eating disorders, since vegetarians with eating disorders may be more prone to amenorrhea?


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How about a study from the US National Library of Medicine. This is a bit more technical but look to the last 2 sentences for the proof you asked for.

Consequences of a long-term raw food diet on body ...[Ann Nutr Metab. 1999] - PubMed Result
The focus of this article is a raw food diet, which is not typical for most vegetarians.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Why are these pro-veggie threads such troll magnets?
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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Why are these pro-veggie threads such troll magnets?

Perhaps all the extra hormones in the beef they're eating makes 'em ..... ehhhhhrrrrrrrr ..... "assertive."
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