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Old 11-24-2009, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Sometimes PETA gets it just right:

Thanksgiving: Disgrace to Turkeys: PETA's Banned Ad
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:08 AM
 
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Sometimes PETA is obnoxious too. Deliberately trying to spoil Thanksgiving for people is assinine.

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Old 11-25-2009, 01:49 PM
 
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i dont always agree with PETA but that ad is a good eye opener for most people. in a related note, i found this letter to the Editor About Thanksgiving and Turkeys:

November 18, 2009

To the Editor


With our community’s emphasis on buying locally-produced items, it’s easy to forget that there are other ethical issues regarding holiday purchases. If there will be a turkey on your table this Thanksgiving, you can be almost certain that he or she suffered a miserable life and death for your brief pleasure. There are no laws for the humane treatment of turkeys on farms or in the slaughterhouse. (Neither chickens nor turkeys are included in the Humane Slaughter Act.)


In the wild, turkeys have complex language—more than 20 different vocalizations—and can recognize one another’s voices. Rescued farm turkeys show affection toward humans, and like cats, they purr when content. But on modern “farms’—including organic farms—turkeys live their entire lives in windowless sheds with about 1 square foot of space per bird. While wild turkeys can fly, farmed turkeys cannot. In fact, because they are bred for excessive growth, many cannot walk. En route to slaughter, 10 to 15 percent of turkeys die from suffocation (an accepted industry standard.) Many others arrive in extreme pain with broken bones.


Because of the fast pace of slaughterhouses, turkeys and chickens are often insufficiently stunned before slaughter. Government estimates are that about 4 million birds per year are still conscious when dropped into the scalding tanks. Conditions for organically-produced animal foods are no better. (The Vermont slaughterhouse that was closed this month after employees were filmed kicking and elecro-shocking 2-day old calves—who were too weak to stand—was one that slaughtered animals from local organic dairy farms.)

Most Americans say that they care about animals, that they would never hurt or abuse an animal. The hard truth is that when you eat meat, eggs and dairy, you participate in animal abuse.

Thanksgiving—an expression of gratitude and a celebration of family and abundance—is the ideal time to go vegetarian. In his book “Eating Animals,” Jonathan Safran Foer says this about a vegetarian Thanksgiving: “There is no turkey. Is the holiday undermined? Or would Thanksgiving be enhanced? Would the choice not to eat turkey be a more active way of celebrating how thankful we feel? Try to imagine the conversation that would take place. This is why our family celebrates this way. Would such a conversation feel disappointing or inspiring?”

Vegetarians know the answer. It feels good when our choices reflect our true values about compassion for animals
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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Sometimes PETA is obnoxious too. Deliberately trying to spoil Thanksgiving for people is assinine.
The intent is not to spoil a holiday; I think the intent is to raise awareness. A lot of their campaigns are goofy. For them this was a pretty mild video.

Besides, no major network is going to run the ad anyway. If people want to know about the ad, they'd have to seek it out.
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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Guess some people can't handle the truth and would rather live in denial....
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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Seriously?? Ya, poor everyone who's Thanksgiving was ruined...boo hoo. I find it a perfect and apropriate time to once again remind people of the reality of it all. This is why it's not even considered- there's only warm and fuzzy commercials of a golden turkey around a happy family....ugh.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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oh, and thankfully I didn't see those vulgar people and the poor cow thing. Sick, bizarre. So much washes over me as I think that went ( and does ) go on.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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...I didn't see those vulgar people and the poor cow thing. Sick, bizarre....
Huh? If it's a video or graphic, don't bother posting or describing it. Just wondering what you're referring to....
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Old 11-28-2009, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Honestly, if I thought it would make one whit of difference to the treatment of animals, I would stop buying meat, but it wouldn't. I feel that by buying a free range turkey, which I believe was killed more humanely than the mass producton ones, I am doing the best I can to promote the wellbeing of the turkey (which after all would not have been born in the first place, except for food).
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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I think that if you eat meat, then hunting is the most humane way of obtaining it. I couldn't do it, because I don't like animals dieing at my hand, but if someone else wants to hunt, it's not for me to question that.
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