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Old 01-22-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Well Simi Valley is still a nice to place live and the schools are still great. Simi does have a lot of big box centers like Oxnard, but crime is also way lower in Simi Valley.
I don't consider Simi Valley to be a "nice place to live" nor do I consider the schools "great". The crime in Simi Valley is lower, but not "way lower" than Oxnard.
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Old 01-22-2012, 05:04 PM
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Location: Pismo Beach, CA
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I don't consider Simi Valley to be a "nice place to live" nor do I consider the schools "great". The crime in Simi Valley is lower, but not "way lower" than Oxnard.
Um schools not great???? You are being bias, so here's the facts:

Royal High-787
2011 Growth API School Report - Royal High

Simi Valley High-806
2011 Growth API School Report - Simi Valley High

Santa Susana High-866
2011 Growth API School Report - Santa Susana High

Thousand Oaks High-843
2011 Growth API School Report - Thousand Oaks High

Newbury Park High-867
2011 Growth API School Report - Newbury Park High

The crime index for Simi Valley on City-data's website:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Simi-V...alifornia.html

Score of 126 and murder and rape percentage is low.

Plus Simi Valley has plans for a mini golf course to be built and they turned down the porn industry to come to the area:

Simi OKs miniature golf course Ventura County Star

And the only crime up for Thousand Oaks and Simi are property crime:

Property crime up, violent crime down in Simi Valley Ventura County Star

And then here is where the FBI ranks Simi Valley:

The Top Ten Safest Large Cities in America for 2005 | Simiopolis - Simi Valley Yellow Pages & City Guide - Restaurants, Hotels, Town Center (http://www.simiopolis.com/node/138/ - broken link)

Number 10 safest city in the USA where as Thousand Oaks is number 6.

Also, its important to note crime is higher when the economy is bad.

Here are where schools in Oxnard rank:

Pacifica High-733
2011 Growth API School Report - Pacifica High

Rio Mesa-742
2011 Growth API School Report - Rio Mesa High

Channel Islands High-690
2011 Growth API School Report - Channel Islands High

Oxnard High-717
2011 Growth API School Report - Oxnard High

Port Hueneme High-652
2011 Growth API School Report - Hueneme High

And for the hell of it I will throw in Ventura and Camarillo schools:

Ventura High-778
http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2011/2011G...56726525637822

Buena High-768
http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2011/2011G...56726525630793

Camarillo High-848
http://api.cde.ca.gov/Acnt2011/2011G...56725465631619

Generally, most schools fall within 750+ and is average and good. Close to 800 is really good. Below 750 is not good. Below 740 for an API is really not good.

The same can be said for Ventura where property crime is high in this economy, but violent crimes are down:

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/apr/...p/?partner=RSS
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Um schools not great???? You are being bias, so here's the facts
I'm biased because I don't consider the schools in Simi Valley to be great? Sorry, I don't follow. Here are what facts? API scores? I didn't even mention them and I certainly wouldn't use API scores to determine school quality. API scores often tell you more about the parents in the area than the schools in themselves. Anyhow, I don't consider the schools in Thousand Oaks to be "great" either, though they are better than Simi Valley. I'm also not sure why you excluded the best High School in Thousand Oaks.

In terms of crime, I never suggested that Simi Valley was unsafe, instead I suggested crime in Oxnard is not "way lower".

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Plus Simi Valley has plans for a mini golf course to be built and they turned down the porn industry to come to the area
Plus what exactly? What does a mini golf course have to do with crime or schools? I don't get it..... Why is turning away the porn industry a good thing?
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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By saying the crime in "Simi is low but not way lower than Oxnard" you are saying that crime is not too bad in Oxnard or Simi. In as much as Simi is ranked one of the most safest cities in the Nation, if crime is low but not way lower than Oxnard then they both must be relatively safe places to live.

I think it is great that Simi is taking a stance on the Porn industry and saying that they are not welcome in the area. Tells me that the people and the leaders in the city have high moral values. Tels me that they are trying to encourage a family friendly atmosphere by keeping a certain element out of the area. I applaude the leaders of Simi for making such a decision.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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By saying the crime in "Simi is low but not way lower than Oxnard" you are saying that crime is not too bad in Oxnard or Simi. In as much as Simi is ranked one of the most safest cities in the Nation, if crime is low but not way lower than Oxnard then they both must be relatively safe places to live.
And to say it again, I never suggested that crime in Simi Valley was high. Simi Valley is ranked one of the safest cities with population greater than 100,000....that sort of ranking doesn't really tell you much since its biased around cities that have close to 100,000 population.

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I think it is great that Simi is taking a stance on the Porn industry and saying that they are not welcome in the area. Tells me that the people and the leaders in the city have high moral values.
High moral values? What you really mean here is that the city leaders have similar moral values as yourself and you consider your values "high moral values" and the values of others to be "low". But why exactly should you or others with similar values get to dictate what others can do? Why should the moral values of some group infringe on the rights of Simi Valley businesses?

All Simi Valley did here is chase out good paying jobs...something it can hardly afford to do. The funny thing is that many that work in that industry (very concentrated in the Chatsworth, etc area) are living in Simi Valley!

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Old 01-23-2012, 04:45 PM
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Location: Pismo Beach, CA
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And to say it again, I never suggested that crime in Simi Valley was high. Simi Valley is ranked one of the safest cities with population greater than 100,000....that sort of ranking doesn't really tell you much since its biased around cities that have close to 100,000 population.


High moral values? What you really mean here is that the city leaders have similar moral values as yourself and you consider your values "high moral values" and the values of others to be "low". But why exactly should you or others with similar values get to dictate what others can do? Why should the moral values of some group infringe on the rights of Simi Valley businesses?

All Simi Valley did here is chase out good paying jobs...something it can hardly afford to do. The funny thing is that many that work in that industry (very concentrated in the Chatsworth, etc area) are living in Simi Valley!
Yeah, but the porn industry can also chase away businesses too.

A mini golf place opening, a mall, Chuckie Cheese, Toys R Us, family friendly restaurant chains like Olive Garden, movie theaters, bowling alleys, and the Ronald Reagan Library are family-orientated placed. A porn studio is the opposite of that.

As said before, Oxnard has high violent crimes because of certain areas with gang members. North Oxnard and the beach area is more upper middle class and middle class, so you'd be better off there.

If you aren't into the Hispanic culture, then Oxnard probably isn't the choice for you.

Ventura offers the trendy hipster vibe. Camarillo offers a small town charm for a city. Simi Valley has a Republican vibe. Thousand Oaks offers an affluent area vibe.

In my honest opinion, a good rated school and areas with low crime is what's important. And having a mall!

And to not validate the government agency which ranks using the API's score for Simi Valley High and Thousand Oaks High as "great" schools in California doesn't make sense to me. Since the API scores for the public schools are so similar.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Yeah, but the porn industry can also chase away businesses too.
It can? How? What businesses have been chased away by the porn industry in the west San Fernando Valley?

I'm really not sure why you are comparing restaurants, retailers, etc to the porn industry. We are talking about the porn industry, not strip clubs, etc.

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And to not validate the government agency which ranks using the API's score for Simi Valley High and Thousand Oaks High as "great" schools in California doesn't make sense to me.
huh? I don't have any problem with API scores...I just don't think they provide a good measure for school quality. Anyhow, I don't find any of the public schools around here "great". They hardly manage to teach the basics....let alone more serious topics.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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And to say it again, I never suggested that crime in Simi Valley was high. Simi Valley is ranked one of the safest cities with population greater than 100,000....that sort of ranking doesn't really tell you much since its biased around cities that have close to 100,000 population.


High moral values? What you really mean here is that the city leaders have similar moral values as yourself and you consider your values "high moral values" and the values of others to be "low". But why exactly should you or others with similar values get to dictate what others can do? Why should the moral values of some group infringe on the rights of Simi Valley businesses?

All Simi Valley did here is chase out good paying jobs...something it can hardly afford to do. The funny thing is that many that work in that industry (very concentrated in the Chatsworth, etc area) are living in Simi Valley!
Let me say it again then. You stated that crime in Simi is low but not way lower than Oxnard. If crime in Simi is low but is not way lower than Oxnards crime rate than Oxnard must have a similar crime rate as Simi. What you are saying is that both Simi and Oxnard are close in the amount of or lack of crime compared to other cities. If you had said that crime in Simi is much lower than Oxnard that would be one thing. What you suggest is that both cities are close. Being way lower would mean that both are vastly differing in the amount of crime. When both cities are close then the amount of crime is similar. Wouldn't you say?

As far as moral values I am not sure what you don't get. Having a high moral value would mean that business operations that produce and sell products that are low on morals would be against what you believe in. Someone that participates in the adult industry has low moral values. If they had moral values they wouldn't be selling or producing a product that has no value at all. Addiction is what drives the product that they are selling. The fact is that Simi does not want the business operations being forced out of the Valley entering the city. Based on a new code that was instituted performers in those videos need to have protection to be in the movies, not something that the film makers want included in the filming process.

The adult industry has done nothing but hurt women, destroy families, increase addiction, waste time, create nothing of value, and produce a product that is so low on moral value that is not something we want in Ventura County.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:06 PM
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Location: Pismo Beach, CA
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It can? How? What businesses have been chased away by the porn industry in the west San Fernando Valley?
Not sure, but the last time I was there I remember it was a run down looking area where Chatsworth is. I am sure families would move if the actors and film producers of different moral values moved in.

I'm really not sure why you are comparing restaurants, retailers, etc to the porn industry. We are talking about the porn industry, not strip clubs, etc.


huh? I don't have any problem with API scores...I just don't think they provide a good measure for school quality. Anyhow, I don't find any of the public schools around here "great". They hardly manage to teach the basics....let alone more serious topics.
And why are we comparing apples to oranges? For US standards I think they are good, but to European standards I don't care. As long as schools get you into good colleges by providing AP classes, sports to get scholarships, and extracurricular activities to spark interest for careers then who cares if Europe's schools or a school in another state are better.
Besides if you ask me all people start caring about these days are Whole Foods or similar markets, upper middle class stores like Pottery Barn and Chico's, walkable downtowns, low crime rates, high API score schools, small homes and short commutes and low pollution levels, and lots of hiking. Bonus points for a college being nearby.

The 60s mentality has been going down the drain when malls, large suburban homes, good schools, safe neighborhoods, parks, and saving money mattered.

I can never stay in the area where my parents lived. San Luis Obispo has changed too dramatically since we moved here. In the 90s they tore down the area's only mall, and any large shopping center like the Dalidio Ranch Marketplace which was like a big box center and lifestyle shopping center combined, was stopped from building. In the downtown, they capped the height of buildings. In the 90s, they prevented the city from getting state water to allow for lower cost of living instead of the pricey lake water we get now.

But approved projects in San Luis Obispo that have occurred are more hiking trails, a small shopping center with Target and Dick's Sporting Goods, redevelopment projects downtown that have been adding stores like Pottery Barn and Chico's, and not only that I am sure Whole Foods has been considered to go in a certain spot downtown.

And the community of San Luis Obispo is mostly Caucasian, middle and upper middle families and working class college students, and the liberal mindset.

I'd even say that Santa Barbara is more urban, more ethnically diversified, and more social diversified.

Ventura, Oxnard, Thousand Oaks, and Simi Valley all have malls and all have been growing. For the most part, they are more diversified than my area. Ventura, Oxnard, and Thousand Oaks lean socially liberal, but it's more diversified than San Luis Obispo.
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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If crime in Simi is low but is not way lower than Oxnards crime rate than Oxnard must have a similar crime rate as Simi. What you are saying is that both Simi and Oxnard are close in the amount of or lack of crime compared to other cities.
There is a lot of gray between "similar" and "way lower". I'm not suggesting that the crime rates are similar, just that the crime in Simi Valley is not "way lower" than Oxnard. That is, there isn't a night and day difference between the day cities as "way lower" would suggest.


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As far as moral values I am not sure what you don't get. Having a high moral value would mean that business operations that produce and sell products that are low on morals would be against what you believe in.
Right...what you believe in. Not everyone considers porn to be of "low on morals" as a result government shouldn't be infringing on the rights of those that think differently about this matter.


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The adult industry has done nothing but hurt women, destroy families, increase addiction, waste time, create nothing of value, and produce a product that is so low on moral value that is not something we want in Ventura County.
We? I, and many others, have no problem with the porn industry. You are speaking for yourself.
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