02-13-2013, 01:00 AM
Location: Northern Colorado
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Oxnard will allow just about anything, so it probably would be easier. But they aren't going to open a store somewhere just because its easier, it has to make sense. And since Oxnard isn't, in itself, a good demographic fit for whole foods they were likely looking for a good mid point between Ventura and Camarillo.
I don't know. It has the largest population and plenty of educated and rich people who live in North Oxnard and the Oxnard Shores area. I still find it odd though that Oxnard has no Trader Joe's.
02-16-2013, 09:49 PM
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I don't know. It has the largest population and plenty of educated and rich people who live in North Oxnard and the Oxnard Shores area. I still find it odd though that Oxnard has no Trader Joe's.
Trader Joe's puts its stores within blocks of major freeways for ease of delivery purposes. In Oxnard, with only a couple of miles of freeway, such a location is limited. That's been my guess since reading about some of Trader Joe's business strategies.
Besides, the Victoria store is closer to many areas of Oxnard than Ventura. That store is around three miles from north Oxnard, and around 5 miles from west Oxnard. From Port Hueneme, the store is around 8 miles. It's somewhere around 10 miles from west Ventura and around 5 miles from east Ventura. The store is three blocks from the 101, so I think TJ's strategy for that location was surely planned to serve the whole area, plus serve TJ's delivery concept, with quick on/off from highway 101.
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02-16-2013, 10:37 PM
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Trader Joe's puts its stores within blocks of major freeways for ease of delivery purposes. In Oxnard, with only a couple of miles of freeway, such a location is limited. That's been my guess since reading about some of Trader Joe's business strategies.
You can find numerous Trader Joe's that aren't within blocks of a major freeway, for example there is one on Moorpark Road in Thousand Oaks. Trader Joe's isn't in Oxnard because Oxnard isn't a good demographic fit for its stores...
02-16-2013, 10:42 PM
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I don't know. It has the largest population and plenty of educated and rich people who live in North Oxnard and the Oxnard Shores area. I still find it odd though that Oxnard has no Trader Joe's.
Yes, it has the largest population but that doesn't matter if the population ins't a good fit for your stores. Oxnard doesn't have "plenty of educated and rich" people, its primarily low/mid income. But as I mentioned before, just because you have money doesn't mean you want to shop at whole foods.
I don't think the lack of Trader Joe's is odd, Oxnard just isn't a good demographic fit for the stores.
02-16-2013, 11:23 PM
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Yes, it has the largest population but that doesn't matter if the population ins't a good fit for your stores. Oxnard doesn't have "plenty of educated and rich" people, its primarily low/mid income. But as I mentioned before, just because you have money doesn't mean you want to shop at whole foods.
Deja vu all over again. You don't know what you're spouting about, as usual. But, u da man -- in your own mind!
02-17-2013, 12:17 AM
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Deja vu all over again. You don't know what you're spouting about, as usual. But, u da man -- in your own mind!
Yes, Deja Vu, you tell me I'm wrong without substantiating your point of view. Oxnard is ~70% (and growing) Hispanic while Trader Joe's is by no means a store that targets this demographic. Given the demographics, again ~70% Hispanic, its not surprising that you find Mexican grocery stores but no Trader Joe's. And we aren't talking about Americanized Hispanics, ~70% of Oxnard households speak a language other than English at home. Furthermore, just 15% of Oxnard residents have a bachelors degree or higher
You can find Trader Joe's that aren't near highways throughout LA county and as I pointed out, here in Ventura County as well, using this to explain the lack of a Trader Joe's in Oxnard makes little sense....especially when there is a much more obvious reason.
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02-17-2013, 12:53 AM
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Yes, Deja Vu, you tell me I'm wrong without substantiating your point of view. Oxnard is ~70% (and growing) Hispanic while Trader Joe's is by no means a store that targets this demographic. Given the demographics, again ~70% Hispanic, its not surprising that you find Mexican grocery stores but no Trader Joe's. And we aren't talking about Americanized Hispanics, ~70% of Oxnard households speak a language other than English at home. Furthermore, just 15% of Oxnard residents have a bachelors degree or higher
Hispanics don't shop at TJ's? Really? So I guess all of the "vamos a ver... podemos comprar..." I hear in there is just, what, mono-lingual Americans practicing their español? Or maybe in your one dimensional world, all Latins shop only at la panderia y la carniceria. They never leave the "barrio" or venture beyond the corner taco stand, other than to pick celery at 5 a.m. Is that it?
And the freeway proximity is not my theory. This is what TJ's themselves has said is what they look for! Call me out if you like, but I'm just a parrot based on what I've read about TJ's.
Oh, and I didn't know you needed a bachelor's degree to shop in TJ's. Are you seriously that low on arguments these days? Nod "yes"!
P.S. I speak 5 languages. English is NOT my first language. So what. I don't fit the TJ demographic then? Strange, cuz I shop there all the time!
P.P.S. According to US Census data, Oxnard has tremendous gaps in incomes all over the city, so your broad strokes do not adequately describe much. Educate yourself:
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02-17-2013, 02:22 AM
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Hispanics don't shop at TJ's? Really?
I never suggested such a thing, instead (immigrant) Hispanic communities don't represent a good demographic fit for Trader Joe's. That should be obvious though, Trader Joe's doesn't offer products that target that market niche. To justify a store you not only need
some shoppers, you need an ample amount of shoppers.
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And the freeway proximity is not my theory. This is what TJ's themselves has said is what they look for! Call me out if you like, but I'm just a parrot based on what I've read about TJ's.
It very well may be
something they look for, but given that you can find numerous Trader Joe's that are miles from highways it is by no means the only thing they look for so using it to explain the lack of Trader Joe's in Oxnard is strange.
As for educational attainment, well, its one of the key demographics a store is going to look at! People with higher educational attainment shop differently for food than people with lower educational attainment. Now you are free to mock this all you wish, but its common knowledge to anybody in business.
Oxnard, like any city, is not completely uniform. I have never suggested that Oxnard is uniform, instead I've cited facts about the city. The pockets of affluence in Oxnard aren't large enough to support a Trader Joe's and that is why the company has yet to build a store in Oxnard. The company isn't stupid, it didn't skip over Oxnard merely because it couldn't find a location right by the 101.
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I'm surprised that the Whole Foods in Thousand Oaks is not larger and set up better. I have been to Whole Foods out of state and only this one in CA. The ones out of state were much larger with more products and even with a large area to eat in.
02-21-2013, 08:00 PM
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Santa Maria, CA is about 60% Hispanic and has a Trader Joe's. My old town had a population of 8,000 people and had a Trader Joe's for the sole grocery store. The old area I lived in the Trader Joe's pulled from 30,000 population. It took that my town was mostly white middle and upper middle class educated folk, and the people from other towns had similar demographics.
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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