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Old 01-22-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Rutland, VT
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Maybe someone needs to address this problem in Vermont. What do you do for the teenagers and preteenagers to keep them from being bored and 'doing these things?' Isolation is also tough on younger people--not every kid is 'into sports.'

I agree with you -- communities would benefit from creating more healthy, not-necessarily-sports-oriented activities for young people. Rutland has a few programs such as The Mentor Connector - Share What You Know - Rutland, Vermont but it hardly serves the majority of tweens & teens who get bored and find nothing productive to do.

I'd love to see more businesses and nonprofits engaging young people as volunteers, apprentices, and assistants. Unfortunately, with ever-increasing "risk management," the minimum age for participation in such activities continues to rise and the the overall opportunities diminish.
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Old 01-22-2008, 01:32 PM
 
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MOre info:

Seven Days: City Struggles to Tag Elusive Graffiti Vandals (http://www.sevendaysvt.com/columns/local-matters-news/2006/city-struggles-to-tag-elusive-graffiti-vandals.html - broken link)

The Graffiti Removal Team Burlington, Vermont
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Rutland, VT
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Default Letter in today's Herald: Rutland needs entertainment, gathering places

Rutland needs gathering place: Rutland Herald Online
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:16 PM
 
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Gangs and graffiti are in every town. We had 'gangs' in our school as well, and we had 3000 people and 60 kids graduating every year. But c'mon these aren't the same type of gangs you see in Big Cities. They are wannabes, nothing to be scared of. Tons of them in WNY. Even Buffalo doesn't have 'real' gangs in my opinion.

Los Solidos - a REAL and Violent gang were indeed in Rutland. They came from Chicopee, MA in the mid '90's, but luckily law enforcement (and the RHS and MSJ football players) were able to force them out before they got a strong foothold, however they did leave their footprint by way of a HUGE drug problem. Yes, there are some wannabes, but I'm certain that there are active, REAL gang members here on a regular basis thanks to the booming drug trade here. It is by the grace of God that they have not fought harder to further organize themselves here.

I work in downtown Rutland and you'd be amazed at what I've seen through the years.

One last thing - I am an intelligent, educated professional and not just a country bumpkin' that hasn't seen life outside VT. I spent 7 years in CT and know what REAL gangs are, so please do not talk down to me.

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Old 01-24-2008, 08:15 PM
 
Location: hinesburg, vt
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Knotte, be glad you are connected to reality and I might add it is good thing to be suspicious of gangs, whatever their affiliation. I cannot even count the amount of hours I spent at scenes, in hospital ERs, and in court dealing with gang members. In our community we too had folks who refused to believe the potential danger that they present not to mention the time and effort required to eradicate them once they become established. I witnessed many cases where "wannabees" who were not quite too stable mentally to begin with casued quite a bit pain and anguish to others. If you care about your community and your neighbors you will not tolerate any gang activity.
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Old 01-25-2008, 06:49 AM
 
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Los Solidos - a REAL and Violent gang were indeed in Rutland. They came from Chicopee, MA in the mid '90's, but luckily law enforcement (and the RHS and MSJ football players) were able to force them out before they got a strong foothold, however they did leave their footprint by way of a HUGE drug problem. Yes, there are some wannabes, but I'm certain that there are active, REAL gang members here on a regular basis thanks to the booming drug trade here. It is by the grace of God that they have not fought harder to further organize themselves here.

I work in downtown Rutland and you'd be amazed at what I've seen through the years.

One last thing - I am an intelligent, educated professional and not just a country bumpkin' that hasn't seen life outside VT. I spent 7 years in CT and know what REAL gangs are, so please do not talk down to me.
Drugs are used and available everywhere, from the huge metropolis, to the little country bumpkin town that i came from. With the internet, anyone can find where to get and how to make any drug they like. No need for gangs. The connection between gangs and drugs is highly overrated.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Rutland
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Well, sure ... they may be wannabes. For now. But how exactly do you suppose a wannabe moves up to real gangster status??? It's wise not to underestimate these people. It will get a lot worse in Rutland before it gets better.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Knotte, be glad you are connected to reality and I might add it is good thing to be suspicious of gangs, whatever their affiliation. I cannot even count the amount of hours I spent at scenes, in hospital ERs, and in court dealing with gang members. In our community we too had folks who refused to believe the potential danger that they present not to mention the time and effort required to eradicate them once they become established. I witnessed many cases where "wannabees" who were not quite too stable mentally to begin with casued quite a bit pain and anguish to others. If you care about your community and your neighbors you will not tolerate any gang activity.
LI has seen an influx of MS-13 -- tags are appearing in areas (read $$$) where no one would ever have expected them to appear. They are here and are very real.

I have a 41 page pdf on the MS-13 which was sent to me by a family member who is in law enforcement; it was released by the California Dept of Corrections and it is very informative and scary.

Currently MS-13 is in CA, DC, OR, ALASKA! (I rubbed my eyes when I read that), TX, NV, UT, OK, IL, MI, NY, AZ, MD, VA, GA, FL, as well as Canada, Mexico, Belgium, Spain, Italy and other countries. MS-13 is known for being highly dangerous, well-organized. They don't think anything of killing law enforcement personnel.

I firmly believe that there could be a gang (any gang/s) present in Rutland or Burlington -- nowhere is immune. I appreciate your bringing this to light for others who choose not to see what is real.
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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in vermont even though you do see graffiti it isnt about gangs and such. its not like kids are like "im a rebel im going to go steal an old ladies purse and do graffiti" some kids are like that and it seems as though like many other things those few kids give a bad reputation to everyone else. i myself am not a graffiti writer or artist or whatever you call it but it seems as though the game is to put your name on stuff. who ever has their name up more wins. now it could be worse. kids are just changing the color of a surface. a millimeter thick. so should they really have to be locked up for it? personally i believe kids could do much worse things with their time, such as drugs and stealing and killing. the kids seem to want to express themselves and creativity. so give them a couple walls under bridges or a wall that is not seem much and let them do it there legally and maybe the illegal graffiti will slow down or maybe even stop.
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Old 12-30-2008, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Houston TX
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http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/street-gang-2.jpg
(above) This is GANG graffiti. It is highly symbolic and is meant to be read by opposing members, etc. and is used as a way of staking claim to an area

This, below, is not gang graffiti. It is by a "tagger". Taggers are artisticly inclined, and try to put their "mark" in places and manner that are impressive to both any potential audience or other tagger.
Note the high design element. I know many taggers from when I was at school. None were gang members, although I know this isn't always the case. http://www.christchurchdailyphoto.co.../urban-art.jpg

And now, we have Banksy. Banksy is an internationally renowed artist that stencils graffiti around the world.
http://www.weburbanist.com/wp-conten...street-art.jpg

Sorry about the graffiti lecture, I appreciate the art form, but do not approve of the execution on public buildings or in otherwise illegal forms. I suspect much of the graffiti you have seen has been from taggers, as they are the most common and prolific.

Last edited by vter; 12-30-2008 at 06:01 PM.. Reason: Please do not post images unless they are your own..also hotlinking is highly discouraged in the TOS. Thanks.
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