10-22-2010, 05:00 AM
Location: Vermont
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i just went through the research on outbacks
i think i decided i wanted a 2004 and up based on head gasket issues that probably cleared up around 2003/2004?, and also wanted manual trans which really cut down on the pool of available vehicles. you can get a 2004 with a little more than 100k miles for around 7-8k and expect it to last another 100k i think. another couple thousand and you can get 2005 and up (new body), under 100k
2005 is a new body style. They changed it AGAIN in 2010 or 2011 and it looks like an SUV now.
we just picked this up for under 10k, i was not going for new or fancy but this had been maintained meticulously and that did it for me. they brought it to the dealer every 10k and did the 105k service (timing belt=$1000+) at 92k miles. either it was a lemon or these people were completely nuts about maintaining it!!!
sorry no iphone here!
here is just an example of another clean one: priced at 7500
Subaru : Outback: eBay Motors (item 320605618094 end time Oct-26-10 07:57:11 PDT)
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10-22-2010, 05:38 AM
Location: Manassas, VA
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OMG!!!! That IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT! Down to the color!!!! Ummm....you want to trade that one for my corolla....I promise it won't stall and Toyota will eventually honor the recall
Good advice!!!! Very good advice!!!
10-22-2010, 07:25 AM
Location: Providence, RI
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Funny... that's what I have, but mine's an '08 (only because we traded in 2 cars and bought 1).
Subarus are great cars, and last forever. The reason they're expensive is because they hold their value better than many other cars. The Outback is my second. I had an Outback Sport before it and I loved that (might end up with another one if my wife gets a better job, though I really want a Baja and wished they still made them). I had a trusty old Toyota before and loved that car as well. It wasn't as good in the snow/ice that we get down here, but it was a great car... until someone hit me and totaled it.
10-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Location: Manhattan Island
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We have Subarus EVERYWHERE here in Asheville, and I just don't understand it. I've driven several Subarus ('08 Outback, '08 Forrester, '06 Baja), and I was very underwhelmed. The engine is the main thing I can't stand. Very rough at idle and acceleration is choppy and pretty weak. Interior room is very poorly done; for such large cars, they sure are tiny on the inside. And I don't know what all this talk about them lasting forever is. Sure they'll last forever, if you put a bunch of money into them to keep them running. And they aren't that cheap to fix either. I, myself, am not at all a fan of Subarus. I honestly think that people buy them here just to fit in, because it's what everyone drives, and they'll tout the AWD all day long, but that is Subaru's only desirable feature.
I drive a 2006 Honda Accord sedan, 4 cylinder, 5 speed manual. Great car with front wheel drive that gets me around well in the winters here. We may be in the South, but we have wicked bad ice on the roads, and every road in this town is either uphill or downhill. Flat ground is very rare. So it can be really tough to drive around in the winter sometimes. My next car is going to be either a CR-V or an Element. Whichever I get, it will have AWD and a manual transmission; both of those are KEY for driving in the winter. Especially the manual, because you can downshift and burn off a lot of speed without having to use the brakes much. I think I will be a Honda man for the foreseeable future; that is, until I can afford an AWD 3-series my ultimate dream car.
Hondas are just fantastic, and the maintenance is non-existant except for tires and brakes and oil changes.
Oh, but one thing about Volvos: BEST SEATS EVER! Unbelievably comfortable. You could drive one all the way to California and not get tired or uncomfortable.
10-22-2010, 06:52 PM
Location: Vermont / NEK
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I have driven one Subaru and it was pretty responsive. It cornered well but wasn't too comfortable to ride in. I think it was a mid 90s model. My friend bought an 04 and it was quite nice inside. I rode in it only as a passenger, but it seemed light years removed from that 90s one I drove. Joe, that's a great looking car! I haven't warmed up to the looks of the most recent makeover either - it looks like your basic run of the mill SUV.
10-30-2010, 05:01 PM
Location: USA (North Springfield, Vermont)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
ShipOfFools42
The engine is the main thing I can't stand. acceleration is choppy and pretty weak.
Sounds like my worker's beat up 1993 Legacy. Or a 1998 that's overdue for maintenance.
I doubt the recent ones drive like crap.
11-01-2010, 01:32 AM
Location: Manhattan Island
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It didn't drive like crap, but I drove my friend's sister's 07 Outback for an entire day (which included several hours of driving), and I was not impressed at all. I was excited when she said I could borrow it, because I had always though Subarus were cool and quirky and generally good cars. But I was really really disappointed in this one. And it's not like it was poorly maintained. It had 28k miles on it, and everything was in tip-top shape; it had just been purchased. I find Honda and especially BMW to make the best engines. I know I said above that I was getting a Honda, but if I decide to take the plunge, it will be an AWD 3 series with a manual, no question about it. Best car in existence. You can get a very nice one for 20 grand, and then go for the extended warranty, and you have the best production car on the market for a very very good price. If you like handling and perfect driving dynamics, there is absolutely no substitute for BMW.
11-01-2010, 06:00 AM
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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We have a 2003 OB which just turned 158K on the way home last night, had the usual head gasket failure and paid the big nut to have it replaced as it is cheaper than a new car. I tracked down some other gremlins recently and it is running well at this point……..has all the power of a blender, but running well. We love the OB, but with the addition of a second dog we are already thinking ahead to a replacement.
As for winter driving……….we have the 2003 Subaru with 158K miles, a 2001 Tundra 4x4 with 140K miles and a 2001 F-250 Diesel 4x4 with 88K miles (for towing the horse)………which one do you think we take in the snow as a first choice? The Subaru, of course.
11-01-2010, 06:10 AM
Location: Manassas, VA
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Hmmm....I've heard from many former and current owners of BMWs that they have a lot of reliability problems. My neighbor wound up getting rid of hers...twice. It was her dream car so she didn't want to give up....got another one...just more issues....she finally through in the towel. I have another neighbor who used to be a BMW mechanic and now he's a Jag mechanic....two very unreliable makers which is why he loves his job he says. But....that's what I've heard. I've never had a BMW myself.
11-01-2010, 10:12 AM
Location: Manhattan Island
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BMW is an incredibly reliable car, but it needs to be owned by an owner who is a car enthusiast who will give the car the kind of care it needs. If you treat it like a Honda, it will punish you by acting up. You must treat it like a performance car, which is what it is. I see a lot of middle-aged women with big hair around here driving BMWs, and it makes me furious. Those cars are not made for people like that, and it is flat-out dangerous for a person like that (someone talking on their cell phone, putting on lipstick, etc.) to have access to the keys to a BMW. They (especially the new ones) are street-legal race cars, just refined for regular driving. They have the most perfect suspension in the world: soaks up bumps without sacrificing ANY handling. It is literally, from an enthusiast driver's perspective, the best car available for the price.
The one thing most people have problems with on BMWs outside of problems caused by lack of knowledge on the part of the owner and/or mechanic, is electrical problems. Little things like a motor that drives the window to roll up and down will go out, and they will cost more than a Honda would to have that same problem fixed. However, the trade-off is well worth it: you get to drive the ultimate driver's car every single day. I have a friend with an 1986 325is with 189k miles on it, and the thing runs like a dream. I would take it over my 2006 Honda Accord if it were practical, but it isn't. Still, for those who like to DRIVE, there is no alternative to BMW. And I do mean DRIVE, not just get from point A to point B. A BMW is the one material possession that I am willing to spend a bit extra on, because I believe that they are extremely solid cars that are worth what they cost. They retain value fairly well, too. I've seen them with 150k on them that still sell for 9 or 10 grand.
Note: I do not work for or represent BMW in any way. I am just a very avid enthusiast of their cars. Sure, you will pay a little extra to maintain a BMW, but it is WELL worth it.
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)