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Old 02-16-2011, 04:32 AM
 
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Again, I will say, in VT there are many rural schools with extremely low class sizes, and many schools in VT that have cut so much that their classes exceed recommended class sizes and there are minimal programs in many areas. One has to dig deeper into the individual situations of each school to get a better, more nuanced understanding of the bigger numbers. The services provided by many support staff and teachers aides are mandatated by Federal law, and yet, even so there are situations where children' aren't receiving the services they are entitled to under the law and parents have to fight for them.

The last I heard, Vermont's retirement system has the lowest pay-out percentage of any state, and our contributions just went up. You will hear people outside of education say teachers have it good here, but teachers don't move to VT for the pay or benefits.

Don't give up on this if it's your dream, but do be aware that your living here will be modest. Most teachers I know work second jobs, and those jobs don't pay very well.
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Old 02-16-2011, 04:35 AM
 
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One more thing to consider is southern New Hampshire. The cost of living can be lower, and the situation for teachers is better.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Again, I will say, in VT there are many rural schools with extremely low class sizes, and many schools in VT that have cut so much that their classes exceed recommended class sizes and there are minimal programs in many areas. One has to dig deeper into the individual situations of each school to get a better, more nuanced understanding of the bigger numbers.
The class size issue has been debated for years. A former Vermonter Martin Harris, who now lives in Tennessee did a comparison between the two states and the US as well. As he put it, The moment of epiphany arrived in the course of comparing K-12 student test scores in Tennessee with those in Vermont, a state-to-state comparison exercise which is possible, by intent, with the published but not-widely-distributed National Assessment of Educational Progress federal tests and is not possible, by intent, with the locally-purchased and -publicized NECAP tests in Vermont and TCAP tests in Tennessee. In the NAEP, the pupil-teacher ratio stats (close to, but not precisely identical with, average class size) show Tennessee at 15.7-to-1 and Vermont at 10.8-to-1, about a 50 percent difference which represents most of the difference in annual per-pupil spending: Tennessee at $7.7K, Vermont at $13.6K. A commensurate 50% difference in test scores doesn't show up in the stats: in 4th grade reading, (for the white student cohort, to keep comparisons balanced) the NAEP shows Vermont students at 229 and Tennessee at 224. For the entire USA, with a p/t ratio of 15.5, 4th graders score 230, and for Vermont, they score 229. In Utah, with a class size of 22, they score 226. These closely bunched results (on a 0-500 scale, none "excellent") don't distribute as official edu-crat doctrine –"smaller classes produce higher test scores"—has been predicting for 30 years, promising markedly better results for the smaller classes and worse results for the larger ones. I think the bottom line comes down to, the teacher most likely makes the better student, not the class size and budgets.
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