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Old 01-30-2011, 12:51 PM
 
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I'm a teacher in MD and REALLY want to move to VT. Can a teacher make a good living in VT? Rent around the Annapolis area is around 1200 for a one bedroom and salaries are decent but aren't great, with no yearly steps anymore. Plus, with college financial aid to repay, my money is tied up in debt. I hate the strip malls, flatness, and impersonal attitude of the people here, and am longing for the mountains. Will I be able to make it in VT as a teacher? Are there teacher jobs out there? I teach in a shortage area (Spanish) if that makes a difference. Oh, and I'm looking in the Southern VT area...Bennington maybe even Rutland. Would be a dream to live near Killington, but I'd have to be able to afford my life. Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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Old 01-30-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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There's a lot of people here already trying to get teaching jobs. Some are doing substitute teaching while they can but that's an unreliable source of income. I won't say you won't land a job but it will be a challenge.

Killington is so close to Rutland that if you were in Rutland or a neighboring town (Pittsford, Mendon, Clarendon, etc.), you could be in Killington pretty quick. Better than paying Killington prices for housing...
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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There are definitely teaching jobs in Vermont, but in most areas it's a buyer's market. For that reason I would caution you against coming without a job in the hopes of finding work.
The best site that I'm aware of for finding teaching jobs here is schoolspring.com. If you go there now you'll find that most of the jobs are for subs or long-term subs, but that's not too surprising because the hiring season really isn't here yet. As it gets closer to spring you'll see more postings.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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From an article in the new york times I read this week. States most likely to default this year.

Debt 2009: $3.4 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $150 million
GDP 2009: $25.4 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 13.47%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $462 million (12%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $1.6 billion (100%)

On the chopping block: The Vermont Department of Education is aiming to slash 2 percent from its overall budget—about $23 million. A $19 million influx from the federal government could help stave off some, though not all, teacher layoffs. “There are not really many more places to cut without gutting programs,” said superintendent Ron Stahley. “We have to balance these targeted reductions with maintaining viable programs."
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Old 02-01-2011, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Winter Springs, FL
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From an article in the new york times I read this week. States most likely to default this year.

Debt 2009: $3.4 billion
Projected 2012 Budget Shortfall: $150 million
GDP 2009: $25.4 billion
Debt/GDP Ratio: 13.47%
Unfunded Pension Liabilities: $462 million (12%)
Unfunded Health Care & Other Liabilities: $1.6 billion (100%)

On the chopping block: The Vermont Department of Education is aiming to slash 2 percent from its overall budget—about $23 million. A $19 million influx from the federal government could help stave off some, though not all, teacher layoffs. “There are not really many more places to cut without gutting programs,” said superintendent Ron Stahley. “We have to balance these targeted reductions with maintaining viable programs."
This has been an issue in Vermont for years. We have had an ever growing Dept. of Ed. and an smaller and smaller student population every year for a decade or more. We as a state have finally hit that breaking point where taxes can't increase (per our Governor) and the programs that cost us all big dollars, need to be cut if we ever want to see any sort of balance.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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Being a Spanish teacher WILL help you here. If you were a non-specialist teacher you'd be very hard pressed to get a job, but you probably can find something in VT. However, something to consider is most language teaching positions are part-time. There are quite a few very part-time ELL openings...if you have dual certification, it may help you to piece together a living.
There's a lot of talk about low enrollment, but it is skewed because there are some very rural schools with extremely small class sizes, and then many schools that are already exceeding the recommended class sizes and have already cut programs to a minimum. The public doesn't always hear the more nuanced side of the story or understand the reasons why spending is the way it is (but isn't that true everywhere?).
Schoolspring is the site to use - housing is the *big* concern. Find a job before coming, but I think it's not out of the question that you could find a job. There is a little xenophobia, insiders are more likely to get the job, but then again, that's the same everywhere.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Winter Springs, FL
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Being a Spanish teacher WILL help you here. If you were a non-specialist teacher you'd be very hard pressed to get a job, but you probably can find something in VT. However, something to consider is most language teaching positions are part-time. There are quite a few very part-time ELL openings...if you have dual certification, it may help you to piece together a living.
There's a lot of talk about low enrollment, but it is skewed because there are some very rural schools with extremely small class sizes, and then many schools that are already exceeding the recommended class sizes and have already cut programs to a minimum. The public doesn't always hear the more nuanced side of the story or understand the reasons why spending is the way it is (but isn't that true everywhere?).
Schoolspring is the site to use - housing is the *big* concern. Find a job before coming, but I think it's not out of the question that you could find a job. There is a little xenophobia, insiders are more likely to get the job, but then again, that's the same everywhere.
This is not the data from the fed and the state. After falling by 10,000
between 2005 and 2010, the number of school-aged children (aged 5-17) is expected to change very little between 2010 and 2020, then rise slightly by 2030 at a rate of about 1% per year. Williston is the only town in the state that experienced a significant increase in student enrollment. The census information shows that most people moving to Vermont are older and without children. http://www.nlihc.org/doc/repository/VT-housing-education.pdf (broken link) The issue with the school budgets is the declining enrollment. The state released data on this several years ago. This is a brief example of what was released. "Since 1997, school staffing levels have increased by 23 percent, while our student population has decreased by 11.5 percent. The number of teacher’s aides has gone up 43 percent. The number of support staff has gone up 48 percent. For every four fewer students a new teacher, teacher’s aide or staff person was hired. There are 11 students for every teacher – the lowest ratio in the country – and a staggering five students for every adult in our schools. With personnel costs accounting for 80 percent of total school spending, it’s no wonder that our K-12 system is among the most expensive in the nation at $14,000 per student per year. Our school governance structures are a vestige of the 19th century and, like our unsustainable personnel costs, must be reformed. We have 290 separate school districts –- one for every 312 students –- 63 different supervisory bodies and a State Board of Education. That’s a total of 354 different education governing bodies for a state with only 251 towns."
I live in a town with high education costs. We have (I should say had, the board voted to eliminate teachers during our last school budget vote) to many teachers for our student population. The compensation levels cannot be maintained as well. teachers are compensated with very good retirement and health packages. I work in healthcare and my benefits don't come close to those of the teachers in our town.
Read the VHFA reports and they will explain why our housing market, tax situation, and education system are tied together to the mess we are in at this time.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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YIKES! YIKES YIKES! UGH. I reeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy want to move to VT and make it my home....but, this doesn't sound good...what's a girl to do? I got offered a job teaching in VT 3 years ago but had to turn it down because as an 8 year veteran Spanish teacher with a Masters degree, they were only going to offer me 37K. A JOKE. an ABSOLUTE JOKE. That is not a living I can handle. I just dont' know anymore. I'm so unhappy here in MD but even struggling here allows me to not eat beans and crickets, like it would seem I'd have to do on a VT teacher's salary....and get my cardboard box ready if my position were cut from the school's budget. Why do things have to be this difficult? I want to move to Norway now.
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Old 02-02-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Winter Springs, FL
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The state of the education issues here does not mean you will not find a job. Positions are filled now and the spring would be the best time to check. The only concern would be how long a position would last. School budgets are getting harder and harder to pass and typically arts and language are the first programs to be cut. For FY2012, there will be the start of the budget cuts. The Dept. of Education wants a little over 23 million cut from the budget. Challenges for Change school budget reduction targets $23.2 million | Vermont Business Magazine
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Old 02-02-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Waterbury, VT
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Sorry to offer more sad news. I moved here 3 years ago and still haven't found a teaching job and I've met many other flatlanders in the same position. I have a Masters with 15 years experience. I'm overqualified and cost too much money to hire. And $38,000 is about the norm here which was a big shock to me. ELL and languages are usually part-time. Another eye-opening experience was the fact that when a school does post for a position, it usually goes to someone the school knows (ie: newly licensed student teacher, para-educator). One of the best things about Vermont is the loyalty, but it's also one of the worst when you're a flatlander just trying to fit in. Sorry. Good luck.
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