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08-02-2007, 07:12 PM
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Again, as cosmonewoman said, DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ/HEAR IN THE PRESS. It is usually very one sided. NONE of us know the whole story. If someone who lives in Bratt would like to go read what is in the police report (if it's not closed because of the investigation) that includes eyewitness statements, then we would have more facts.
As cosmo mentioned, the protestor are getting exactly what they wanted - attention.
A big thank you for all our police, fire, emt folks who put their lives in danger every day to save ours and/or our property. You rock.
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08-03-2007, 08:18 AM
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Again, as cosmonewoman...
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Woman???? Cosmo as in Kramer and Newman as in...Newman!
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08-03-2007, 08:24 AM
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LOL. Sorry about that!!!
cosmonewman....got it! 
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08-05-2007, 06:00 PM
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Amen very very rarely do you hear the actual story from the press because that just wouldn't sell the newspapers. And yes the protesters got both what they wanted (the publicity) and what they deserved (removed forcefully), they were after all illegally protesting and on private property to boot. They were breaking the law, oh no and then refused to comply with the law enforcement personnel again imagine that. What is that we should do let them continue use a fire hose, then both the fire department and police department would have gotten the bad press. I just shake my head at all the sympathy for law breakers.
Imagine this in a growing number of states they could have been shot for trespassing and refusing to leave. Not that that may be the proper solution but don't expect that there will be no consequences for your actions. Praise the ACLU, the job of law enforcement gets tougher every day. A few years ago everyone was screaming that police should have tasers to help in situations just like this, now they have them and those same people are screaming don't use them. Lol....some of the same people, we want windmills for clean power oh but we can't put them in p[laces where they would be efficient that would look terrible at the top of a mountain or no don't let them run at night it will kill the birds. Gimme a break.
Sorry for the rant group. I feel much empathy for the men and woman of law enforcement, I have worked with many of them over the years and it can be a pretty thankless job. Though some on here like to generalize most of them are good decent people. Don't know that I can say the same for the news media in general.
Have a good weekend all
QUOTE=vter;1198272]Again, as cosmonewoman said, DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ/HEAR IN THE PRESS. It is usually very one sided. NONE of us know the whole story. If someone who lives in Bratt would like to go read what is in the police report (if it's not closed because of the investigation) that includes eyewitness statements, then we would have more facts.
As cosmo mentioned, the protestor are getting exactly what they wanted - attention.
A big thank you for all our police, fire, emt folks who put their lives in danger every day to save ours and/or our property. You rock.[/quote]
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08-07-2007, 09:04 AM
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What gets me about these protesters is that they actually drive cars. Ok so they don't want the nuke plant but its ok to for my sons to die in a war for thier oil (and all its by-products they use). Its not a far hike or bike ride from Brattleboro. The whole idea is to get publicity. Ignore!
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08-09-2007, 09:24 PM
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If you get scared by a minor incident like this one in Brattleboro you must be petrified in Brooklyn! 
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Any minor incident that happens here definitely gets national attention and I'm getting pretty tired of it honestly.
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08-09-2007, 11:30 PM
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10-15-2007, 07:41 PM
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I don't consider the taser incident in Brattleboro minor.
And no, I'm not petrified in Brooklyn. Most of my encounters with police have been positive.
I have had a couple of bad experiences, though.
Once, I was waiting for a traffic light to change. In the adjacent lane was a police car. When the light changed, I pulled ahead. The cop pulled me over. He said to me, in a tone I regarded as menacing: "Don't you ever get ahead of me!". The guy was obviously immature, or worse, so I just feigned submissiveness and told him what he wanted to hear. But the incident bothered me. It was troubling that such a person should be allowed to carry a badge and a gun. Years later, I told a cop about it while we were eating in a pizzaria. He said I should have made a complaint.
Another time, I asked a cop about someone I had sold some furniture to. The buyer had taken a drawer out of each bureau, presumably so I could not sell the pieces to anyone else before he came to pick them up. I was a little concerned about this. The cop gave me all sorts of instructions about how to handle the matter if there was a problem; the instructions included fraud and falsely claiming a burglary.
Once, I heard an ex-cop speak about a practice he knew about, called "collars for dollars". Cops at the end of their shifts would arrest someone at random and gain about 6 hours of overtime by doing the paperwork. Meanwhile, imagine what would happened to their "perp", whose life, finances and reputation would be seriously disrupted, if not ruined.
I once heard someone who worked with the police speak about them. She said, if I remember corrrectly, that about 1/3 are just doing their jobs. About 1/3 want to give back to their communities. And about 1/3 are sociopaths who would be criminals if they weren't cops.
Everyone knows about people being beaten or killed by cops in NYC, or of having cops burst into their homes and terrorizing them at gunpoint. Sometimes it is blatant abuse, but other times it is in error. I believe NYC pays out tons of money in damages.
Now there is a problem of phony police who pull people over and then rob or sexually assault them.
I heard of a guy who refused to stop for police, believing (or claiming to believe) that they were phony. The cops followed him home and violently arrested him. His reason for not stopping was rejected.
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It is clear you dont like cops. What were you concerned with when someone who bought a bureau from you took out the drawers? If he had purchased it why was that a problem??? If I was the Cop who responded I would have told you he bought it, it belongs to him. What is the problem? As far as your silly 1/3rd comment. I was a cop in NYC for 20 years and 7 days. I saw nothing but hard working underpaid men and women. I saw nothing but heroes at the Trade Center and NYC Morgue working there in the aftermath of 9/11. Some people have an agenda when it comes to the Police. To discredit any form of authority. I can spot it a mile away. There are bad cops. Not a lot. In 20 years I didnt see one. As far as that taser incedent goes. If the Police had grabed the protester and he spraind an ankle, everyone would be saying "Why didnt he use his taser?" Cant win. I am so glad to be out when I read this stuff !
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10-15-2007, 09:03 PM
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It is clear you dont like cops. What were you concerned with when someone who bought a bureau from you took out the drawers? If he had purchased it why was that a problem??? If I was the Cop who responded I would have told you he bought it, it belongs to him. What is the problem? As far as your silly 1/3rd comment. I was a cop in NYC for 20 years and 7 days. I saw nothing but hard working underpaid men and women. I saw nothing but heroes at the Trade Center and NYC Morgue working there in the aftermath of 9/11. Some people have an agenda when it comes to the Police. To discredit any form of authority. I can spot it a mile away. There are bad cops. Not a lot. In 20 years I didnt see one. As far as that taser incedent goes. If the Police had grabed the protester and he spraind an ankle, everyone would be saying "Why didnt he use his taser?" Cant win. I am so glad to be out when I read this stuff !
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Congradulations on making retirement. I grew up in NYC, but was a cop in another city and state out west before wrapping my time up four years ago. I too am so glad to be done with it! It's one of those jobs that unless you have done it and dealt with the thousands upon thousands of people, calls for service, etc, you just cannot know what it is like and the cumulative effect it has on your life. As you no doubt know it's virtually always a damned if you and damned if you don't daily lifestyle. Take care.
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10-16-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pebo99
It is clear you dont like cops. What were you concerned with when someone who bought a bureau from you took out the drawers? If he had purchased it why was that a problem??? If I was the Cop who responded I would have told you he bought it, it belongs to him. What is the problem? As far as your silly 1/3rd comment. I was a cop in NYC for 20 years and 7 days. I saw nothing but hard working underpaid men and women. I saw nothing but heroes at the Trade Center and NYC Morgue working there in the aftermath of 9/11. Some people have an agenda when it comes to the Police. To discredit any form of authority. I can spot it a mile away. There are bad cops. Not a lot. In 20 years I didnt see one. As far as that taser incedent goes. If the Police had grabed the protester and he spraind an ankle, everyone would be saying "Why didnt he use his taser?" Cant win. I am so glad to be out when I read this stuff !
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I think you missed the point of what I was saying. Did you read early in my post when I said most of my experiences with cops have been positive?
It's not a good idea to make assumptions about where someone is coming from, especially if that someone is a perfect stranger.
But I am not getting into a flame war with you.
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